Post by: justink on February 10, 2009, 06:25:44 AM
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Post by: Hogsharley on February 10, 2009, 02:27:54 PM
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Post by: Dan Belcher on February 10, 2009, 02:30:59 PM
The basic consensus: Storm's staffers are very good bowlers, which certainly helps, and they're making very good quality equipment right now in general, but more importantly, their mid-level equipment is matching up with the conditions on tour this year very well, so lots of free agents are throwing their gear right now.
(On a most decidedly non-PBA level, I currently carry nothing with me but Storm and Rotogrip equipment. I've thrown a few Morich, Ebonite, and Brunswick pieces in the past couple years and shot a few big scores with them, but always end up being most consistent with Storm and Rotogrip because I just seem to match up well with their current equipment on house shots, local tournament shots, and a PBA Experience summer league.)
Post by: jls on February 10, 2009, 02:31:04 PM
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Post by: rockerbowler18 on February 10, 2009, 02:33:50 PM
Storm creates less friction on the lane with milder coverstocks than the other major brands, so the ball is less likely to get jumpy and will 'glide' into the pocket a little easier.
If they'd put out a little more oil on tour, other companies would be out there winning.
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Post by: mainzer on February 10, 2009, 06:02:58 PM
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It has to do with the low, low volume of oil they used this week, and have been using all year out there on tour.
Storm creates less friction on the lane with milder coverstocks than the other major brands, so the ball is less likely to get jumpy and will 'glide' into the pocket a little easier.
If they'd put out a little more oil on tour, other companies would be out there winning.
Well said I second the statment!
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Post by: Zef Olantar on February 10, 2009, 06:20:04 PM
Lane #1 also seems to be making inroads with the masses.
One other thing to keep in mind.......
Apparently if you're a free agent on the PBA Tour, Storm pays the most money out of all the manufacturers, if you use their equipment on the TV show and win. That may be another reason why we've seen some free agents, like Patrick Allen and Bill O'Neill, using Storm on TV.
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Post by: Krakken on February 10, 2009, 06:34:03 PM
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It has to do with the low, low volume of oil they used this week, and have been using all year out there on tour.
Storm creates less friction on the lane with milder coverstocks than the other major brands, so the ball is less likely to get jumpy and will 'glide' into the pocket a little easier.
If they'd put out a little more oil on tour, other companies would be out there winning.
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Unfortunately it isn't true. The volumes weren't lowered until after Reno, and Storm Roto has been tearing it up all year.
It is just an excuse for the non Roto Grip non Storm folks.
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Post by: mainzer on February 10, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
Give me MoRich any day against Storm. MoRich Hits Harder, carrys better, reads the lane easier IMO, but Strom over Ebonite or any of their Garbage.
Just had to say it.
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Post by: Krakken on February 10, 2009, 07:35:30 PM
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Give me MoRich any day against Storm. MoRich Hits Harder, carrys better, reads the lane easier IMO, but Strom over Ebonite or any of their Garbage.
Just had to say it.
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Edited on 2/10/2009 8:09 PM
How many pocket 8-10's has storm left with the game on the line? lol sorry had to say it.
If Morich matches up with you then great, but I will take the Utah crew anyday.
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on February 10, 2009, 07:49:44 PM
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Storm creates less friction on the lane with milder coverstocks than the other major brands, so the ball is less likely to get jumpy and will 'glide' into the pocket a little easier.
If they'd put out a little more oil on tour, other companies would be out there winning.
Is this a serious statement? I mean i have thrown just about every ball on the market in the past year or 2 and the storm stuff creates just as much friction as any other brand...
Why can't a company just be having a good run?? The Hy-Road is one of the most versatile balls i have ever thrown...maybe if it had a hammer on the side of it, it would get a little more respect, cause i guarantee if hammer/ebonite was having a good run it wouldn't be because of the laneman, it would be because the balls are just that good...
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Post by: Krakken on February 10, 2009, 07:52:45 PM
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Storm creates less friction on the lane with milder coverstocks than the other major brands, so the ball is less likely to get jumpy and will 'glide' into the pocket a little easier.
If they'd put out a little more oil on tour, other companies would be out there winning.
Is this a serious statement? I mean i have thrown just about every ball on the market in the past year or 2 and the storm stuff creates just as much friction as any other brand...
Why can't a company just be having a good run?? The Hy-Road is one of the most versatile balls i have ever thrown...maybe if it had a hammer on the side of it, it would get a little more respect, cause i guarantee if hammer/ebonite was having a good run it wouldn't be because of the laneman, it would be because the balls are just that good...
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Post by: mainzer on February 10, 2009, 08:02:44 PM
How many pocket 8-10's has storm left with the game on the line? lol sorry had to say it.
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Pete Weber left a 8 pin one year for 299 if I remember right something like that. I have a issue with Storm because I have been belittled and ripped and disrespected by Staffers for daring to say that MoRich is just as good Storm. stuff like that make me not want to use Storm.
Brittons opinion is biased Krakken, He is Sponsored By Storm.
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Post by: strikealot on February 10, 2009, 08:09:04 PM
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Give me MoRich any day against Storm. MoRich Hits Harder, carrys better, reads the lane easier IMO, but Strom over Ebonite or any of their Garbage.
Just had to say it.
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Edited on 2/10/2009 8:09 PM
you should have heard p allen on xtra frame last week talking about morich, it wasnt good or nice..he says wwr is very limited in his ball selection and reaction, but i thought it was funny because wwr seems to make it work, ya think....
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Post by: six pack on February 10, 2009, 08:10:47 PM
BTW,I love my storm 4 ball roller,best bag I've ever owned!going on 7-8 years now,some zip ties and duct tape and still rolling strong.
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on February 10, 2009, 08:10:54 PM
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Pete Weber left a 8 pin one year for 299 if I remember right something like that. I have a issue with Storm because I have been belittled and ripped and disrespected by Staffers for daring to say that MoRich is just as good Storm. stuff like that make me not want to use Storm.
EVERY comapany makes good equipment...not everyone matches up with EVERY company. There were some companies i had to work at harder with surface changes or different layouts to get to look good in a video...some just matched up right out of the box.
In my opinion, what makes a good ball great is its ability to match up with a wide variety of styles. Your Cells, Gamebreakers, black widows, hy-roads all are great all around balls that i have seen work for just about every style.
I get a kick out of these forums when something happens like what happend to mainzer, someone says oh company x sucks how dare you say they are even close to my favorite company y...odds are those people have never even thrown the ball in question yet they insist on bashing it...but thats the beauty of our world, everyone is entitled to their opinon
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Post by: mainzer on February 10, 2009, 08:56:23 PM
Six Pack I would have liked to have seen that thing with P.A. talking about MoRich, I wonder if Wes Mallot is limited in ball reaction because he uses Roto Grip.Roto Grip and MO make about the same number of bowling balls. Not trying to be mean or attack just pointing out a fact.
I am sorry if my comments here or above have upset anyone. Sometimes I feel stepped on or thought less due to the fact that I prefer different equipment that the majority of bowlers... Make sense?
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Post by: nd300 on February 10, 2009, 09:14:29 PM
Week eight was the start of the run of Storm products taking most of the TV show finals.
Justink,check your sources before making an all encompassing statement like this one.And the season isn't over yet.
The all plastic tournament coming up will be interesting to watch.Thing is,the pros will be allowed to use resin equipment in qualifying and match play. Plastic is in the TV finals only.
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Post by: themagician on February 10, 2009, 09:22:25 PM
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I went and looked at the "What were they using" on Buddies,and the first seven weeks there was VERY LITTLE Storm being used in the TV finals.
Week eight was the start of the run of Storm products taking most of the TV show finals.
Justink,check your sources before making an all encompassing statement like this one.And the season isn't over yet.
The all plastic tournament coming up will be interesting to watch.Thing is,the pros will be allowed to use resin equipment in qualifying and match play. Plastic is in the TV finals only.
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Actually its just the TQR that bowlers can use whatever, once the actual tournament begins its all plastic given to them from the PBA that cannot leave the center.
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Post by: sims_37s on February 10, 2009, 09:23:23 PM
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Post by: six pack on February 10, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
Six Pack I would have liked to have seen that thing with P.A. talking about MoRich, I wonder if Wes Mallot is limited in ball reaction because he uses Roto Grip.Roto Grip and MO make about the same number of bowling balls. Not trying to be mean or attack just pointing out a fact.
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I never said that and in fact I beleive WRW uses MoRich because it compliments his style.BTW,I like my MO stuff and have done very well with the flip and LevRg but I also like many other different companies.I wish Storm would remake the T-Flash,I would be rushing out to get one!
I do remember P.A. useing a Vibe not that long ago,Remember?
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Post by: gtkpr31 on February 10, 2009, 09:50:33 PM
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Give me MoRich any day against Storm. MoRich Hits Harder, carrys better, reads the lane easier IMO, but Strom over Ebonite or any of their Garbage.
Just had to say it.
If you like throwing balls made in mexico then go for morich. Although I do agree that i could go through every company and find something I like. I just prefer Storm because out of every company i have ever thrown, my style matches up better with more storm equipment than anything else.....annddddddd it's not made in mexico
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Post by: tuckingfenpin on February 10, 2009, 10:09:27 PM
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If you like throwing balls made in mexico then go for morich. Although I do agree that i could go through every company and find something I like. I just prefer Storm because out of every company i have ever thrown, my style matches up better with more storm equipment than anything else.....annddddddd it's not made in mexico
Just like how your TV or computer that you're using, and bought, were made overseas.
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Post by: dolbydigital on February 10, 2009, 11:00:05 PM
though storm has been winning on tour this year a lot more as compared to others,there is not doubt that there are players who are good who are using other equipment as well.
its just plain senseless brand bashing if you are just basing the performance of a particular brand of equipment on tour.
do not forget 80% of the bowlers here are not bowling on tour,we do not know how the rest of the 80% of bowlers are faring with other brands.
do not forget one of the most important thing in bowling is equipment matching up.and i can say it kinda difficult to be able to match up 100% all the time.
lets just stay neutral on this issue shall we?
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Post by: rockerbowler18 on February 10, 2009, 11:12:27 PM
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It has to do with the low, low volume of oil they used this week, and have been using all year out there on tour.
Storm creates less friction on the lane with milder coverstocks than the other major brands, so the ball is less likely to get jumpy and will 'glide' into the pocket a little easier.
If they'd put out a little more oil on tour, other companies would be out there winning.
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Unfortunately it isn't true. The volumes weren't lowered until after Reno, and Storm Roto has been tearing it up all year.
It is just an excuse for the non Roto Grip non Storm folks.
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I'm not sure whether it's completely true or not. This is coming out of the mouths of many of the touring, exempt players out there currently (Including some who are currently throwing Storm and Roto), not just my personal opinion. My opinion is only reflected from the Dick Weber, where there was certainly a VERY low volume of oil out there.
I'm not sure why you say it's an "excuse". I need no "excuse" for anything...because I have nothing to excuse myself from...It doesn't matter to me one way or the other which ball is better: I'll throw what works. Personally, Storm/Roto haven't given me as good a look as Ebonite, but that's beside the point.
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Storm creates less friction on the lane with milder coverstocks than the other major brands, so the ball is less likely to get jumpy and will 'glide' into the pocket a little easier.
If they'd put out a little more oil on tour, other companies would be out there winning.
Is this a serious statement? I mean i have thrown just about every ball on the market in the past year or 2 and the storm stuff creates just as much friction as any other brand...
Why can't a company just be having a good run?? The Hy-Road is one of the most versatile balls i have ever thrown...maybe if it had a hammer on the side of it, it would get a little more respect, cause i guarantee if hammer/ebonite was having a good run it wouldn't be because of the laneman, it would be because the balls are just that good...
I'm not blaming the laneman for anything. As stated above, this is just my opinion, from my point of view, and my experience, coupled with what I have heard from multiple exempt pros.
I'm not trying to step on anyones toes or be attacked for my opinion. I'm offering what I see.
Let me rephrase. They may/may not create as much friction, but they do NOT have as violent of a friction motion off the dry spot. The balls 'glide' easier, as I previously stated.
I'm not here to argue or storm-bash, because I have no stock in what company sells more or does better on tour.
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Post by: BackToBasics on February 11, 2009, 08:00:37 AM
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It has to do with the low, low volume of oil they used this week, and have been using all year out there on tour.
Storm creates less friction on the lane with milder coverstocks than the other major brands, so the ball is less likely to get jumpy and will 'glide' into the pocket a little easier.
Let's just say this is true. The balls that are mainly being thrown week in and week out (at least on TV) are the midrange balls with coverstocks 2 years old (R2S). Most seem to be throwing one of the T-Road series. Earlier in the year there seemed to be more volume and you saw a few Virtuals. So it's not like the biggest Storm/Roto pieces with the most agressive covers are being thrown.
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If they'd put out a little more oil on tour, other companies would be out there winning.
Did we all forget the success the Cell had when it was first released? Several shows were made by free agents including Delutz, Scroggins and Wiseman. This was last PBA season when the volume of oil was supposedly higher. If the volume was increased, guys would be migrating to Cells, Virtuals and Dimensions. Those balls can cover any oil thrown at them.
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Post by: Jesse James on February 11, 2009, 08:26:54 AM
I have found that they seem to cater to the real needs of the serious bowler. They make "niche" balls, that you may not see on the THS, but they will definitely make a big showing in tournaments!
I am one person who does not normally throw any Storm equipment, yet, somehow I just naturally migrated towards RotoGrip and fell in love with the equipment!
I was completely oblivious to the fact that the two companies are related!
Silly me! I used to knock Storm on the one hand, and throw Roto on the other!
Just plain dumb!
But I think what some of the previous posters said about balls gliding, and being softer off the spot, is a true analysis of what their equipment does, and why it is so effective!
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Post by: stopncrank on February 11, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
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Post by: justink on February 11, 2009, 03:17:52 PM
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