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Jorge300

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Open bowling before league
« on: June 18, 2008, 11:10:22 PM »
I have a question that I'd like to get some feedback on:

Our summer league is bowling on Sport patterns to help challenge us bowlers. What I have been told is that during the league meeting (which I missed because I was at the USBC Open) they discussed open bowling before league on the sport patterns. Ideally the answer would be there should be none (this is another arguement), but they decided sort of off the cuff that people should ONLY bowl on their starting pair. To me this is exactly opposite of what any league has ever done. The idea is that they don't want to screw up the shot on someone else's pair. My feeling is that this is giving one team an unfair advantage. One or more of one team has bowled on the pair, manipulated the shot, and understand how the breakdown has started. If you bowl on another pair, yes you may screw up their shot, but both teams bowling on that pair are starting at the same spot, both having no prior knowledge of that pair. I am wrong in my thinking or is my league just as crazy as I think it is?
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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 07:20:46 AM »
I think there should be no open bowling once the lanes are dressed for a league - especially a sport league - keep it a level playing field for everyone.

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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 07:29:20 AM »
If it was just a house league on a THS, I would not mind about open play (but I'd still prefer a fresh and equal shot for everyone) before. But on a sport shot league that is supposed to be challenging and have some competitive spirit, "simulating" the real life in tournament, I'd not allow training on those lanes that are intended for the league - or the lanes get a fresh dressing before the league starts. Juts like srichmo2 states - equal playing field for everyone. If the pattern is available for training at other times, that's O.K. and IMHO the best option. But for the league play itself, "virgin" conditions, please.
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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2008, 07:36:57 AM »
I had a similar situation, but it was on a regular THS league.  We had people coming in to bowl a few games prior to league to warm-up.  We had a meeting regarding it, and said since only a handful of people do it, it's no problem.  Each person got a lane, that WAS NOT THEIR PAIR FOR THE EVENING.  If I remember correctly, this might be a rule in the handbook.  

On the tougher shots, such as yours, this seems messed up to say the least.
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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 07:39:13 AM »
if your practicing on non-league lanes, there shouldnt be a problem.  i would have a problem if someone was practicing on league lanes, without a re-dressing when he's done, than it wouldnt be a level playing field.  but i practice a game or two before league on a non-league lane because i have a bad wrist and i have to loosen it up.  if it doesnt loosen up i dont bowl.

but practicing on only your starting pair is kinda dumb.  because than you can go in and burn up a track for yourself hence giving you the advantage.  doesnt make any sense if you ask me.

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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 07:58:06 AM »
I agree no open play would be the best scenario. Unfortunately, or fourtunately, depending on how you look at it, we have 30 teams for our summer league (trios) and there aren't any available pairs as we butt up against another league that has the rest of the house. I don't think I can win the arguement for no practice, and Im not going to try this year. But at least it should be that you can't bowl on your starting pair. For the life of me I don't know what they were thinking in even giving this a gentlemen's agreement in the league meeting. We are going to have an official vote on it next week, but I am concerned that the league will vote to make people bowl on their starting pairs only, which boggles my mind.
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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 08:03:33 AM »
No one should be bowling on those lanes before the league starts.

They are allowing bowlers to maniplate the lanes.  It is taking away all the principles for the sport patterns.Sport Bowling - FAQ
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What are the lane pattern requirements for a Sport Bowling leagues/tournaments?
Due to the multitude of lane machines, lane oils, and lane surfaces, specific criteria was developed for Sport Bowling leagues and tournaments to follow to ensure that the pattern they develop is within the specifications listed below:

It is critical to the integrity of the Sport Bowling program that the lane conditions present at the start of certified competition, comply with Sport Bowling lane dressing specifications. In addition, when using PBA Experience patterns, they should be representative of the specific PBA Experience pattern being used. Therefore, once lanes are conditioned for a Sport Bowling league or tournament, there shall be no bowling prior to the start of the competition, except for a reasonable amount of practice balls authorized by the competition, not to exceed 30 minutes.

Prior to Sport Bowling league/tournament competition (including USBC PBA Experience), the following must be done:

Each lane shall be stripped prior to oiling of the Sport condition.
Tapes will be taken at 22 feet and two feet before the end of the pattern.
The ratio of oil for all tapes taken shall be no more than 3:1
The ratio shall be defined as the average amount of oil (in units) between boards Left 18 to Right 18 divided by the average amount of oil (in units) between boards R3-R7 & L3-L7, respectively.
The amount of oil measured on the outside boards (average of R/L3-7) at 22 feet must be greater than 10 units, and the amount of oil measured on the center boards (average of L18 to R18) must not exceed 80 units of oil.
The maximum amount of oil from boards R8 to R17 and L8 to L17 shall not be greater than 130 percent of the average of boards L18 to R18.
The minimum amount of oil from boards R8 to R17 shall not be less than 70 percent of the average of boards R3 to R7.
The minimum amount of oil from boards L8 to L17 shall not be less than 70 percent of the average of boards L3 to L7.
There is no pattern length minimum or maximum.
There is no lengthwise ratio requirement.
All other USBC requirements are still in effect (i.e. three-unit minimu
 

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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2008, 08:22:44 AM »
Bob,
   Two things:
1) We are not a true certified sports league, just putting out tougher patterns, sport patterns, for the competition.

2) Where did you find that, bowl.com? I might bring that along just to show them.

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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2008, 08:33:42 AM »
The league I'm on has a practice pair.  This pair is available for practice before and after league and on the weekends.

It's a nice option, if the center has an open lane/pair.

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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2008, 08:40:09 AM »
In our PBAX league the lanes are done about 15 minutes before league starts and nobody gets to touch them before league.

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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2008, 08:48:23 AM »
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Bob,
   Two things:
1) We are not a true certified sports league, just putting out tougher patterns, sport patterns, for the competition.

2) Where did you find that, bowl.com? I might bring that along just to show them.

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I provided the link above.

But, I'll repost it.

http://www.bowl.com/sportbowling/faq.aspx#requirements

If they're claiming to be bowling on the tougher sport patterns, they should be adhering to all the rules and guidelines for sport patterns.

If they want true competition, they shouldn't be allowing any "prepping" of the lanes prior to starting time.

Just my .02
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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2008, 08:56:43 AM »
Our Sport League does not allow practicing before league except the 10 minute warm-ups.  After league the lanes are left on and many of us do is practice after league.  While the lanes have had 4 games shot on them, we at least can try different equipment or lines to try and figure out what we might try next week.
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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2008, 10:50:46 AM »
^^^^^ Same at our house. Works fine.
Personally, I do not see an advantage as long as you are not allowed to practice on the lane that you compete on. Both teams are bowling on the same condition and you are only competing with that team for the points that night.
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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2008, 12:02:28 PM »
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^^^^^ Same at our house. Works fine.
Personally, I do not see an advantage as long as you are not allowed to practice on the lane that you compete on. Both teams are bowling on the same condition and you are only competing with that team for the points that night.
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But what about the teams that are bowling on that pair. You can hurt someone just as much as help them, so it could be that someone could very well be at an advantage/disadvantage. Patterns can be blown to crap just as well as opened up and it's my opinion that there should be zero bowling on any pair that is going to be used in competition.
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Re: Open bowling before league
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2008, 12:11:57 PM »
^^^^^^ The lanes are the same for both teams, fresh or burnt. Some likem fresh, some likem broke in.
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