Author Topic: Opinion Question---PBA Experience Rerating (Read 2975 times)

NOTHUMB · « **on:** March 10, 2009, 10:12:25 AM »

Do you think the "rerating" system works for those who bowl the PBA Experience Leagues?

Here is why I ask...
There are a few members of a 5 man team who bowled local districts this week, whose averages are only established based on their PBA Experience averages. A couple of them are on this site and post/review. Personally, I have no issue with any of them. I just question how fair it is to pull this stuff.

Im not sure what the rerate is from 180 or 190 or 200. But one of them averages 240 on a house shot---he is getting handicap off of a 220 average. He shot 805 in team---with handicap, it was an 860. Thats ridiculous.

Sandbagging is one thing. And having integrity for the game is another (based on only wanting to bowl the PBA Experience leagues).

But isnt there something wrong with saying "Yes, thats a legitimate average", when every human being with a brain cell knows its not.

This isnt the first the issue has been brought up around here. Recently someone who only bowled 1 PBA Experience League went to states and went nuts. Again---on a house shot, he would average 220. But on those shots, he averages 170-180.

So what do you think about this situation?
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SrKegler · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:10:40 PM »

Hilarious.

Is this what bowling has came down to. Everyone is supposed to find the easiest shot possible just to keep it "fair" to the bowlers that would rather have an "average" than learn to bowl.

If you can't compete, join a tough league like them and learn to bowl. Perhaps if you only bowled a PBA experience league you would have the ability to shoot 800 scratch yourself.

The PBA experience league is the only league with integrity. The regular leagues is just so the wannabees can feel good about shooting honor scores.

In other words, everyone has the option of only shooting the tougher leagues. If you want the easy shot, don't complain if you can't keep up.
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Joe Jr · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:27:55 PM »

The system isn't even remotely accurate. I average 230 in league, and there is no way I can average 220+ in a PBA league. There is probably a 30-40 pin difference between Sport averages and house averages.
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ebo4life · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:29:23 PM »

SrKegler

While I agree the best way to improve and be a better bowler is to bowl a pba experience league I dont think this is the problem being posed---I think what the poster is saying is using a PBA experience average in a house shot tourney is unfair. I think with the popularity of PBA experience leagues that city and state tourneys should have separate division for PBA experience leagues with a PBA experience shot put out on a certain number of lanes
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Ebonite BowlToWin · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:30:31 PM »

i average 196 on my house shot leagues and 183 in my PBAX league, thats only 13 pins

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The system isn't even remotely accurate. I average 230 in league, and there is no way I can average 220+ in a PBA league. There is probably a 30-40 pin difference between Sport averages and house averages.
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Spider Ball Bowler · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:36:44 PM »

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SrKegler

While I agree the best way to improve and be a better bowler is to bowl a pba experience league I dont think this is the problem being posed---I think what the poster is saying is using a PBA experience average in a house shot tourney is unfair. I think with the popularity of PBA experience leagues that city and state tourneys should have separate division for PBA experience leagues with a PBA experience shot put out on a certain number of lanes
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That will NEVER happen. How could you call it fair if the state tournie was to put out a house shot for everyone that bowls a house shot league and a tough shot for people that don't?

I feel as though the handicap should be based on a percentage of whatever and used for everyone. If you choose to bowl on a PBA League and average 170, but go to states and shoot 2300 scratch, good for you. You chose to bowl in something harder, and it has improved your game over all and you should be rewarded.

I don't think PBA Leagues are as popular as you might think though. I wouldn't mind joining one, but there aren't any very close to here, so I don't. Oh well, it's my loss when I go to our state tournament and am faced with a tough shot and don't know how to play it.
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gojr1815 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:40:22 PM »

I sub in one when my work schedule lets me. I would love to find one I could bowl in every week. They really have made me think about what I am doing. I average 185 in the PBA league and 205 on the hs.
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NOTHUMB · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:50:22 PM »

I am bowling in a PBA Experience League. Learning like I'm supposed to. My point is to those who bowl on only tough shots and then come in with averages that dont come close to representing what they would average on a house shot.

I enjoy the challenge as my 10 year record at Nationals will attest. SrKegler---you may think because my name is NOTHUMB---I dont have a clue. You dont know me---anyone who does, knows better.

I feel that the PBA Experience leagues are a true challenge---but dont come bowl a house shot tourney with your average from a PBA Exp league. Even after the rerate, its a joke.

I dont want the easiest shot. I want the fairest situation. Bowling a PBA Experience and average 200, getting rerated to 210, when you would easily average 230 or 240---thats a joke. Thats not integrity.
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NOTHUMB · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:58:46 PM »

Im not trashing PBAX leagues by the way, as a couple of replies seem to think I am.

Why should someone who claims to have integrity for the game---who would average 240 on a house shot (and did as recently as a year ago)---get 55 pins of handicap for a 3 game series when the handicap is based on 220?

You bowl a PBAX league, you are ready for tougher shots---which is fine. But dont show up to a local house shot tourney with a 205 book because of the rerate and say "Oh yea, thats what I would average on a house shot". Thats a joke.

Its not as bad as blatantly sandbagging---but if you have that much disdain to not bowl easy shots all year---dont show up for the local association tourney once a year, just to take advantage of the ridiculous rerate system.
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SKIDSNAP · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2009, 08:36:23 PM »

Sounds to me like your problem is with the people who run your local tournament.

Their handicap system is out of whack. Why should he get any handicap off of a 220 average??

Too much handicap...

There are a lot of bowlers who have flourished by bowling PBAX conditions. If that is all he bowls on then bowling on a house shot gives him a lot more whoopsie room. Don't be jealous of someone maximizing their bowling.

The joke is the lane condition that they put down for a District or state tournament. Something between a THS and a PBAX condition would be fine.

Better handicapping system and tougher conditions at these local major tournaments would be better.

DON'T (your favorite word) trash your fellow PBAX bowlers for taking advantage of the improvement in scoring they get from competing on PBAX conditions.

Edited on 3/10/2009 9:05 PM

bowl400 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2009, 09:03:17 PM »

for the tournaments that i run, if a bowler's highest average is from a pba experience league, i apply the adjustment table that the usbc put together. i know that it isn't much, but for us tournament directors, something is better than nothing.
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los2003 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2009, 09:54:45 PM »

So are you blaming them for only bowling pba leagues?? The system is what it is they don't have to say if I bowled on a house shot I would average 240.. And 2nd thing all house shots aren't the same.. I know numerous people that do average 240 in one house and under 220 in another so should they too say they are capable of averaging 240 also.. Anothier thing is if your state tourney is on a houst shot anyone can shoot 800.. In mighigan our is on the Kegel beaten path and A great bowler still tore it up for over 2200 for 3 sets if his forth was in place of his third he would have the state record because he shot 820 or so.. that would have gave him 2370 for 3 sets.. So scores will be shot either way..

SleepOnIce · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:08:17 PM »

His problem is with the average conversion chart, which I agree with.

If you can average 165 on a PBAX shot, I'd venture a guess that your house shot average is higher than 178. Or to look at it the opposite way, do you think every 200+ bowler on a THS is 187+ on a PBA shot?
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los2003 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:11:12 PM »

but thats gonna change from person to person.. there are a lot of variables that go into that.. the house, particular house shot

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His problem is with the average conversion chart, which I agree with.

If you can average 165 on a PBAX shot, I'd venture a guess that your house shot average is higher than 178. Or to look at it the opposite way, do you think every 200+ bowler on a THS is 187+ on a PBA shot?
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Edited on 3/10/2009 10:09 PM

SleepOnIce · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:16:23 PM »

My first post should say 183, instead of 187.

Yeah I agree it depends a lot on what house, but I know of a couple of centers around here (Detroit area) where the average increase for anyone with a clue would be at least 30 pins.
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