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ccrider

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Rules Question Wrong Average During Tournament
« on: October 08, 2011, 09:28:29 PM »
 Bowler gives his old book a average at the start of the tournament. Directors check and confirm old average prior to start and accepts it. Evidently they did not have the new book. Tournament rules say that all averages must be confirmed.

After start of the last game of the tournament, someone complains asking that bowler be rerated using his new book average which is 23 sticks higher.

How should this situation be handled?

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Re: Rules Question Wrong Average During Tournament
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2011, 05:55:13 AM »
What were the rules for CORRECT entering average?  The bowler's scores should be based on the rules for the correct average based on the rules, whether the TD has the correct book or not.  If the bowler was trying to "get away" with the lower average, he should be informed that he is now bowling under the higher average per the rules. Some tournament directors I know would DQ him.



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Re: Rules Question Wrong Average During Tournament
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2011, 08:54:16 AM »
Have and would in the past. Another great example of why it is best to use Bowl.com for average verification. In the "old" days of only printed books the bowler would have ended up being disqualified since nothing would have been checked until after the tournament was over. My policy now, since bowl.com, is to check every entry before the confirmations are mailed and rerate or correct were needed. Only substitutions are not checked and if I am given time to do so at the event and internet access will check those prior to start of bowling as well. I now use the composite if higher too and that is only available on the web. USBC actually suggested last year at the convention to the associations to stop printing books to save money and eliminate confusion or mistakes.


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Re: Rules Question Wrong Average During Tournament
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 09:07:50 AM »
 Like txbowler asked What were the rules regarding entering averages? Also if the directors were using a old book for him, what about the rest of the bowlers? The book would be wrong for them wouldnt it?
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Re: Rules Question Wrong Average During Tournament
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 12:09:35 PM »
 Read Number 2
 
319a. Conditions that Apply
The following conditions apply to averages in handicap or classified tournaments, unless the 
tournament rules state otherwise, except that only USBC league averages shall be accepted. (See 
Rule 319c for average adjustment.)
1. Individual averages must be based on a minimum of 21 games in a USBC league. 
2. When the previous season’s average is used, and at the time of bowling an entrant has a 
current average for 21 or more games that is 10 pins or more higher than the prior season’s 
average, the current average must be used. 
3. Bowlers are responsible for verifying his/her own average, whether submitted by the bowler, 
the team captain or others. If the submitted average is lower than required and results in a 
lower classification or more handicap, the bowler’s score is disqualified. If the submitted 
average is higher than required, prize winnings will be based on the submitted average. In the 
case of a team of two or more bowlers, the averages will be combined to determine if the 
correct total is higher or lower than the submitted total. 
4. Average corrections can be made up to the end of the bowler’s first game of a series. Or, if an 
extension of time has been granted in writing by tournament management before the end of 
the first game of a series, the correction can be made within 48 hours after the end of the 
series.
5. When an association publishes a yearbook, a tournament using previous season averages to 
determine handicap or classification, shall use the yearbook to verify averages, if furnished, 
and not require the association to verify averages from that association.
 
 
Edited by imholte08 on 10/9/2011 at 12:18 PM
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Re: Rules Question Wrong Average During Tournament
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2011, 01:19:18 PM »
 Thanks for be replies. Like RJ above, my thought was that they were likely using the wrong average for many bowlers.
If you dq don't you have to refund his money?  Also, I have never seen where current league average has been used instead of current book average after 21 games.  

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Re: Rules Question Wrong Average During Tournament
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2011, 02:45:49 PM »
When the current average is used instead of the book, that is referred to as the "10 Pin Rule" unofficially. Basically, everyone has to keep track of their average and make sure that if they are 10 pins over a previous book at the 21 game mark, they have to go by that. So if the event was USBC sanctioned and the rules did not say otherwise, the player who has a current average 23 pins higher than previous book and if  they have 21 games in so far for the season, they have to use that average. If so, that is considered a falsification of average, which usually leads to a disqualification. 
 
Edited by imholte08 on 10/9/2011 at 2:47 PM
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