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LuckyLefty

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Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« on: February 08, 2006, 04:42:42 AM »
I have been blessed to be around golf most of my life...and also blessed to have crossed paths with some of the top all time pros in bowling...sr amateur stars and current winning professionals on the tour and now occassionally run into some up and nationally known up coming juniors or just post juniors in bowling.

One thing that has struck me in general is the sort of negative view of the current crop of juniors and what I view as very self defeating attitudes they have versus say aspiring golfers and also the top bowlers of the past!

While in golf Pia Nillson has set up a whole set of mental and physical training aimed at golfers aspiring to shoot and envision the possibility of shooting 18 birdies in a round....

Or what she calls

Vision 54


Bowling on the other hand disdains any great scoring on top hat conditions.
ie Robert Mushtare.

Particularly damaging to bowling I believe is the impression that high scores on a top hat are not worth anything.  (Our websites continual insults to our own resident high average superstar(Rev O!)  The recent disdain for the accomplishment of Robert Mushtare.

Now I know that one of America's recent favorite pastimes is self loathing...I wonder why this has become such a dominant force in bowling....versus golf glorifies the stupendous score no matter the difficulty of course...as long as a course is called "regulation"...over 6000 yards!

The effect I believe is that many bowlers that are coached in mainstream programs have this sort of outlook.  Any high scoring on a top hat is worthless.  Having a knack for scoring well on a difficult condition is the only type of scoring to admire....  And I believe that bowlers spend so much time bowling on tough conditions...that when they get to cake they can't or haven't conditioned the mind to expect or picture themselves scoring unbelievable numbers.

Along these lines our current center is a frequent stopping point for junior gold programs and qualifying.  Often I see guys that really look that they don't have games that would score high..on a tophat seem to do very well and then other guys with say "BIG" games really struggle!  Many others are so overwhelmed that to me I can only imagine that Mom and Dad are making they stay with them game...as I see silly low scores!

At one time the Pro tour seemed to rotate thru a series of undefined set of conditions...some easy and high scoring...some hard and lower scoring.  Some guys never contended much on the hard sites...some guys contended well on the easy sites.  We divided players up in our minds that this guy was a "winner"came thru in the clutch or a "non winner".  But a player did not have to be versatile over all conditions.

Nowadays a protourist really needs to be a jack of all trades to get on tour(all 5 patterns) but maybe not a master of any!  Also there aren't many wide open scoring shots on tour(unless you count pattern E....Cheetah?)

The point of this is that high scoring on a top hat's is a skill.  A fun skill to have and watch!  I've seen posts by TGod that this great and different skill is not seen as much and I miss it!

Also because of the group think above I believe the several great junior bowlers that I meet are limiting their abiltity to shoot these Mushtare like scores when the conditions arrive because of their lack of mental training or even regard for these types of feats that are so exciting to watch but so bowling...politically incorrect at this time!

REgards,

LUckylefty  

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KDawg77

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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2006, 12:48:17 PM »
okay...
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2006, 12:53:44 PM »
It's unanimous.  Golf revels in accomplishment...bowling does not!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2006, 01:09:59 PM »
Again...Annika Sorenstam 59 on a moderately easy course for their tour...celebrated.

David Duvall 59 on one of the easier courses of the PGA tour celebrated!

Now this guy has to shoot 900 at the Nationals to be celebrated...you don't see the difference?

REgards,

Luckylefty
I count that as another agreement!  Golf Revels in accomplishment...Bowling disdains it 3 - 0.
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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2006, 01:11:30 PM »
I wish there was an "Ignore Key Word" function here. My first word selected would be "Mushtare".
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Ragnar

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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2006, 01:11:56 PM »
I see, as you are counting both dissenting opinions in this thread as agreements, that your reading skills are on a par with your writing skills.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2006, 01:14:27 PM »
ONe said Okay = agreement!

Other said I disdain scoring on anything but Nationals type condition.
= complete agreement.

Golf celebrates scoring on all regulation courses.

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LUckylefty
PS as often no opinion on subject from you...just insults.  No vote.
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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2006, 01:16:10 PM »
Actually, one said "okay..." which means, "Thanks, but I really don't care."

If you read an affirmation from that, Rags just nailed your capabilities.
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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2006, 01:20:15 PM »
Golf celebrates accomplished talent shooting great scores.  If a hack that nobody had heard of were doing it (shooting 59), I don't feel you would have seen the same level of acceptance of the feat...

Ragnar

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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2006, 01:27:26 PM »
quote:
ONe said Okay = agreement!
 LL is incapable of recognizing satire.
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Other said I disdain scoring on anything but Nationals type condition.
= complete agreement.

Show me the exact passage where this is stated.  I'm not seeing it.
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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2006, 02:34:12 PM »
Ok so accomplishments by no names are not respected.
And yet these more out of body accomplishments are even greater accomplishments of the mind than when performed by the top world class performers.

Homero Blancas no name pro 55 out!
Tom Doty 54 for 18 and 24 for 9 out!

All 7 900s out as only done by relative no names.

Shigeki Muryama 58 on a US open qualifying course...out!
journey man pro.

So the vote has changed.

Now 2 to nothing(K Dawg no vote) and Rags...2 insults...more coming!

We'll get his opinion soon average opinion on a subject delivered with insult 3!  USually with the thundering insult at that point!

REmember this vote is not whether Robert Mushtare shot a 900 or not...this vote is "Do you believe golfers admire scoring accomplishments on any regulation course more than bowlers?"
"Or phrased another way, do bowlers disdain high scoring accomplishments on non sport shots and golfers admire them?"

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2006, 02:39:20 PM »
LL, have you ever noticed that, with very few exceptions, you are the beneficiary of my best and most frequent insults?  Do you suppose there is a reason?
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2006, 02:40:57 PM »
I know the reason!

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Luckylefty
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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2006, 02:45:09 PM »
Here's a hint.  I'm lazy.  I prefer easy targets.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Our sport encourages defeatist thinking!
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2006, 02:53:25 PM »
NO problem...I'm out there...and despite my sarcasm before...you ALWAYS know where I stand!  But you don't always pick up on that either.

Now let some other people post...I'm interested to see what bowlers think about high scoring in our sport!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS if still confused I believe they loathe it!
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