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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: AlonzoHarris on August 12, 2016, 09:31:51 PM
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What does it take to play the lanes like the great Parker Bohn lll? I'm seeking ball and release details. I understand lane conditions can affect these details but to generalize, playing up the 5-10 boards, do we look for High RG vs Low RG, High Diff vs Low Diff? Coverstock prep tend to by lower grit or do we need some polish to keep it from breaking early or burning up when on the edges?
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There is no magic ball or ball characteristic. Parker is Parker because of his release and consistency
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Agreed!
In the maybe 95% case, balls, surfaces and drillings won't allow you to do what Parker does, UNLESS you are close to his speed, rev rate and the way he usually stays behind the ball.
A good start might be if you're speed dominant and you tend to NOT come around the ball, but simply buying the right ball, using the right surface and the right drilling won't get you there. They'll help you once you get there.
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My ball speed is the same as his. I get a little more carry from my extra revs.
His is better then me because he puts it together for decades while I only put it together for months. My biggest problem is my right elbow where my right elbow does not finish the two handed release. If I get mix strikes we're gonig were win the league game, if im anything left of 19 we will lose the league game.
2HV
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The benefit of two handed bowling is the easy power. Parker is a great bowler, but you're going to have a tough time emulating him. Frankly, if you ARENT having a tough time emulating Parker as a two handed, you probably shouldn't be a two handed.
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If you want to emulate parker learn how to throw one handed and then work on your arm swing. He has one of the most fluid arm swings in the history of the game. It allows him to repeat shots with power accuracy and speed control unprecedented even among his peers. It may be possible to develop such consistency as a two hander but not in any manner remotely resembling Parker.
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I never said I was two handed. Where are these responses coming from??
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I never said I was two handed. Where are these responses coming from??
The above 2 replies are probably to 2HandedVolcano, not to you.
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When you bowl on the flat patterns your accuracy, or lack thereof, is exposed. The pros bowl on very difficult patterns. Most typical house shots have about a 9:1 ratio of oil from the middle to the outside boards. This allows for miss room in both directions.
A few weeks ago I finished an agonizing month on a 43 foot pattern, with a completely flat 1:1 ratio, with 33 mls of oil. Now that we're on a 40 foot 2:1 pattern it feels like paradise!
I am fine with two handed bowlers. The only weakness I see from one guy to the next is their ability to really repeat shots. Most spray the ball all over because the THS pattern allows it. There are those who have done it for years, and have developed accuracy on difficult shots, and my hat goes off to them.
For those who want to experience what I'm referring to just get your house to put down something 3:1, or even more flat, and you'll find if your game is one that will be comparable to those of the pros.
Parker Bohn III has done it well for decades, and made a name for himself with his talent as well as his sportsmanship. He just bowls like Parker Bohn, instead of trying to do something else. We would all do well to emulate his classic style, but if you don't just learn to repeat shots. If you can repeat shots you should be able to find a way to score.
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One way to remove the guesswork in learning to make shots from the outside would be to use a urethane ball on a THS or short sport pattern. Finding ways to consistently get to the pocket while increasing your strike percentage under those conditions could be really helpful, in my view.
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Also it is about more than accuracy. If your roll pattern is overly aggressive with too much side roll it forces more out angle than is optimum on flatter patterns. No matter how accurate you are in terms of release lane transitions like carry down make consistency difficult when you cant play straighter through the heads
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In general, the outside line shot usually favors an arcing motion, not skid snap. So, anything that helps produce this motion would help. Less off the side release, non polished ball surfaces, lower RG, lower pin position.
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Both skid flip and arcing can be useful. I've noticed that you should pick which motion enables the heavier part of the ball to hit the pin deck. I think that second of impact is more key then skid flip or arcing.
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I've noticed that you should pick which motion enables the heavier part of the ball to hit the pin deck. I think that second of impact is more key then skid flip or arcing.
This is a great point. It's when the lighter portion of the ball hits the pin deck at the second of impact we find sub optimal results.
;D
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I know it was thank you g2, that's why I posted it.
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I've noticed that you should pick which motion enables the heavier part of the ball to hit the pin deck. I think that second of impact is more key then skid flip or arcing.
This is a great point. It's when the lighter portion of the ball hits the pin deck at the second of impact we find sub optimal results.
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I am not getting what this means.... Can you explain more about the heavier part of the ball hitting and how you get this🤔?
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In general, the outside line shot usually favors an arcing motion, not skid snap. So, anything that helps produce this motion would help. Less off the side release, non polished ball surfaces, lower RG, lower pin position.
Thank you! This was the kind of response I was hoping to hear. Some technical details. This thread had been trolled heavily unfortunately.
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Another thing to consider is we (the viewing public) usually only see Parker bowl on sport conditions. These conditions have significantly more oil on the outside than what we would typically bowl. It is usually only these instances that a bowler can be effective and consistent when playing outside 10 since THS has minimal oil outside.
If you ever watch Parker bowl on a THS or on broken down sport patterns you will see he plays the left side much like a right-hander plays the right side. Parker has better than average revs and speed even though his form looks effortless.
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I've noticed that you should pick which motion enables the heavier part of the ball to hit the pin deck. I think that second of impact is more key then skid flip or arcing.
Would you please explain how I can get the heavier part of the ball to hit the pins? I fear that I now have one more glaring weakness in my "simple" game. All this time I've been more concerned about hitting targets and reading ball reaction... ;)
I'm open to new ideas. Just wondering if I'll ever be able to exactly control my revs and speed and line to the pocket all at the same time so the heavy part of the ball hits the pins. I guess the game has passed me by, but I doubt I could do all that with all the science in the world AND a ramp!
If you have any training ideas I'm open to improvement, since I'm getting up in years and an advantage like that could extend my competitive years.
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It's much easier to control revs and line bowling two handed. I guess your struggling from bowling one handed your whole life before certified coaches like myself began teaching two handed.
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Well then "teach on" and move the game forward.
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It's much easier to control revs and line bowling two handed. I guess your struggling from bowling one handed your whole life before certified coaches like myself began teaching two handed.
You're a certified coach throwing 9 and 10lb T-Zones? I've heard it all now!
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Loft is a wonderful thing, thats why bowling owners complain when I bowl about putting a hole in the lane. I bowl like Chris via to visualize it
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Mr. 2handedvolcano you previously stated "PBIII was better than you because he puts it together for decades, while you only put it together for months"?
Does that mean your a "New" bowler? Yet, you are a certified coach throwing 9/10 lb. T/Zones along with throwing so that the heaviest part of the ball hits the pins. Sorry, but I'm not getting your thought process or contributions from your posts.
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184 bowler bowled for 20 years but also had a 175 average when I was 8.
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I am Special Olympic certified and becoming a USBC RVP in September.
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You have been bowling for twenty years and have a 184 average, and had a 175 average when you were eight years old.
So you only went up nine pins in all those years. You claim to be a certified coach. Remind me not to take any lessons from you based on your own results.
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But its on any oil pattern from my 600 revs I get so many revs I can not see the ball's colors, logo, or bridge. I cash in alot in ABT. I would love to do ABT more but
its very expensive. Only the 1st 2 cahers make a profit. and Special Olympic
is not paid. However, Motiv has scouted me to be a staffer and I have had a few PBA scouts watch me during my 600 run in October before i had to flip the ball around because it got too heavy.
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One way to remove the guesswork in learning to make shots from the outside would be to use a urethane ball on a THS or short sport pattern. Finding ways to consistently get to the pocket while increasing your strike percentage under those conditions could be really helpful, in my view.
Good idea!
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But its on any oil pattern from my 600 revs I get so many revs I can not see the ball's colors, logo, or bridge. I cash in alot in ABT. I would love to do ABT more but
its very expensive. Only the 1st 2 cahers make a profit. and Special Olympic
is not paid. However, Motiv has scouted me to be a staffer and I have had a few PBA scouts watch me during my 600 run in October before i had to flip the ball around because it got too heavy.
Now I have to return home for my boots.
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Why must we continue to be subjected to this? LOL
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Okay, while this has been entertaining, this topic has probably been hi-jacked enough. Poor Mr Harris is getting a bit upset and someone should open a new topic where this banter can be continued.
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This thread certainly turned into an Alice through the looking glass mode
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QUIT FEEDING THE TROLLS!!
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But its on any oil pattern from my 600 revs I get so many revs I can not see the ball's colors, logo, or bridge.
It's no wonder you only avg. 184. With a manly 600 revs, you must be spraying a hell of a rooster tail of oil onto the next lane. So the left lane starts to dry up as all of it's oil is sprayed onto the right lane, which is then sprayed onto the next lane over.
I imagine bowling on the pair next to you is hell... halfway through the 2nd game the oil must be running off into the gutter from the flood on the left lane (due to your overspray), while the right goes throgh a normal transition.
Have you considered putting a splash guard on your ball to help keep the oil on the lane you're bowling on?
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That's a good point my league Treasurer was telling me that every since i joined the league the number of 800s has gone down alot. I saw the donkee splash guard thanks!
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Does this have to do with everyone quitting the league since you joined? That could have something to do with it.
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no one quit the league. At times I annoy the higher avg. bowlers, and make the lower avg. jealous.
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I don't know about the rest of you gentlemen, but I can no longer endure reading 2handedvolcano's nonsensical/jiberish. Put a fork in me....I'm done!
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But its on any oil pattern from my 600 revs I get so many revs I can not see the ball's colors, logo, or bridge.
It's no wonder you only avg. 184. With a manly 600 revs, you must be spraying a hell of a rooster tail of oil onto the next lane. So the left lane starts to dry up as all of it's oil is sprayed onto the right lane, which is then sprayed onto the next lane over.
I imagine bowling on the pair next to you is hell... halfway through the 2nd game the oil must be running off into the gutter from the flood on the left lane (due to your overspray), while the right goes throgh a normal transition.
Have you considered putting a splash guard on your ball to help keep the oil on the lane you're bowling on?
Wait ~9, he's Keanu Revs........you know, the throwbot!
Speaking of which.....you know........BrunsNick........you should put the 10lb T Zone on the Keanu Revs setting......just saying man!
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no one quit the league. At times I annoy the higher avg. bowlers, and make the lower avg. jealous.
I get the annoyed bit.
Don't buy the jealous about your butt crack part.
:)
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I am Special Olympic certified and becoming a USBC RVP in September.
You understand that "USBC RVP" is only a background check.
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My Columbia 300 Messenger TI Lightweight up against your stupid tzone. Your ball will explode from the sheer awesomeness of my ball, and the sound that it will make is PCHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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I'm sorry if I came across as rude.
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My Columbia 300 Messenger TI Lightweight up against your stupid tzone. Your ball will explode from the sheer awesomeness of my ball, and the sound that it will make is PCHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
THAT'S more like it! :thumbsup: