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BowlingforSoup

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Partical balls question
« on: February 11, 2017, 10:12:53 AM »
Any advantage to Partical balls or disadvantages.I notice only a few are manufactured anymore.lord field has those covers from time to time.

 

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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2017, 10:25:34 AM »
not sure if they are not manufactured or just not advertised as particle covers any more.

basically, particle covers went out of favor with bowlers after developing a reputation for not lasting very long.

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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2017, 10:53:29 AM »
in general particle balls read more mid lane and were smoother off the spot over resin. I think most like the hockey stick shape that resin balls are better at producing. I think bowlers also confused the smooth reaction to ball death and particle got the bad rap for it.IMO.
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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2017, 11:34:24 AM »
Any advantage to Partical balls or disadvantages.I notice only a few are manufactured anymore.lord field has those covers from time to time.

As does Storm and Roto-Grip, only they're not identified as such.

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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2017, 12:08:20 PM »
The particle ball faded from the scene back in the day, because they were found to have only a limited range of use (Not do to ball death).

Most of the time the conditions just didn't warrant the use of them. The pros found that reactive solids and pearls proved to be more versatile over a wider range of conditions.

Yes particles are still made, but they are not like they were back when they were the big fad of the time.
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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2017, 12:15:45 PM »
If you refinish a particle ball, it removed the glass particles in/on the surface and it lost its "teeth" that was in the cover.
they just weren't the same afterwards
Take the Hammer Scandal (and others) they have carbon fiber infused into the coverstock like a bunch of single hair strands, refinish the surface and new ones are present so it keeps its original surface design

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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2017, 12:35:39 PM »
There were all sorts of different particles.  The glass beads were in the Chaos line, I think.  Not all particles were like that and most were harder so they did not sand flat.  Diamond particles were used in one company, LaneMasters?  Visionary had a particle that seemed to swell up after it encountered and absorbed oil, Granite Gargoyle?  That ball would start out feeling smooth and after a game it started to feel fuzzy.
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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2017, 02:41:06 PM »
There were all sorts of different particles.  The glass beads were in the Chaos line, I think.  Not all particles were like that and most were harder so they did not sand flat.  Diamond particles were used in one company, LaneMasters?  Visionary had a particle that seemed to swell up after it encountered and absorbed oil, Granite Gargoyle?  That ball would start out feeling smooth and after a game it started to feel fuzzy.


Brunswick had such hard particles originally, that you needed special abrasives called Trizact to affect them. Most particles weren't easily fracturable, like the glass in Columbia based particle balls.

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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2017, 03:37:06 PM »
Particle stuff was always good in my hand...I hate the hockey stick type reactions.

Today, Visionary has the Raven (plain Raven) which is a light load particle.


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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2017, 07:25:51 PM »
Particle stuff was always good in my hand...I hate the hockey stick type reactions.

Today, Visionary has the Raven (plain Raven) which is a light load particle.



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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2017, 10:59:25 PM »
Same stuff, different "labels".

Using words like "Additives" sells better then saying particle
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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2017, 11:02:12 PM »
There were all sorts of different particles.  The glass beads were in the Chaos line, I think.  Not all particles were like that and most were harder so they did not sand flat.  Diamond particles were used in one company, LaneMasters?  Visionary had a particle that seemed to swell up after it encountered and absorbed oil, Granite Gargoyle?  That ball would start out feeling smooth and after a game it started to feel fuzzy.


God, the 5 o'clock shadow my Granite Gargoyle would get after bowling a squad was something else...literally felt like the ball had stubble on it. And I don't care what anyone said, a particle pearl ball has a reaction all it's own...I remember in my "better" days just killing a season throwing a Morich Onslaught and a Columbia300 Flipside Wired...

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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2017, 01:07:46 AM »
There were all sorts of different particles.  The glass beads were in the Chaos line, I think.  Not all particles were like that and most were harder so they did not sand flat.  Diamond particles were used in one company, LaneMasters?  Visionary had a particle that seemed to swell up after it encountered and absorbed oil, Granite Gargoyle?  That ball would start out feeling smooth and after a game it started to feel fuzzy.


God, the 5 o'clock shadow my Granite Gargoyle would get after bowling a squad was something else...literally felt like the ball had stubble on it. And I don't care what anyone said, a particle pearl ball has a reaction all it's own...I remember in my "better" days just killing a season throwing a Morich Onslaught and a Columbia300 Flipside Wired...



I just read on Visionary website that the particle pearl Raven has the same particles as the Ogre Particle which was supposed to have the same coverstock as the Granite Gargoyle.  I am not using a Raven currently so I can't verify if it gets that fuzzy feeling.  Anyone using a Raven currently?  If it does, then you would have a particle pearl with a five o'clock shadow.  :)

https://www.visionarybowling.com/ball/raven

https://www.visionarybowling.com/ball/ogre-particle



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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2017, 05:14:36 AM »
Mi 2 Az

My Raven does not get the fuzzy feel to it. The load of particle in it is truly a "light load" as the VBP website indicates.

I just drilled a fresh Ogre Particle and have a brand new undrilled Granite that should be at my door Tuesday....can't wait.

I also picked up a NIB Particle AMB Centaur from MonsterStitch a few weeks ago and was able to get my hands on 2 CASES of Burgundy Gryphons a few months ago...both have the "fuzz" feel to them as well.

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Re: Partical balls question
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2017, 08:55:54 AM »
This Fuzzy ball stuff is scaring me. :o.Thanks for all the replies. Lots of good info.Not just some copy and paste from a staffer.