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DavidKSNK

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Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« on: January 12, 2005, 04:41:16 PM »
All right this is something that's starting to get to me now.

I will admit that I have used medium load particle balls on fresh THS. Also a low load (Golden Nugget). Now in the past month I have begun to get much more confident in my game, mainly because I ditched the wrist brace. I will just quickly say that it was good for starting out with and trying to get the right feeling down for releasing the ball and what not. I went through an adjustment period with getting an idea for throwing the ball without. Essentially my game is becoming much more versatile because I can play straight up 5 or 10 if needed or I can throw a huge hook. Ultimately I can change releases much easier when need be.

What does this have to do with particle balls you're probably thinking.

With the improvement in my game I'm starting to use balls that are not these big hooking particle balls. The most aggressive ball I am throwing right now is the Track Xception. Haven't needed to throw the other stuff I have. (Balls are in profile) I'm watching people throw hook monsters like the BVP Goliath or the Track Animal on light oil lanes and I'm left wondering why they are. What the heck do people need to throw these things for? There is absolutely no use for them whatsoever. I'm starting to wonder if people really have any idea what some of these balls are intended to do on the lane and how they shouldn't be used on medium oil at best conditions (my house). I understand maybe if there is carrydown, but I feel if you can change your release to get the ball into an earlier end over end roll with a resin ball like say the Xception that's not a heavy oiler ball, the carrydown shouldn't be a major problem. It's usually a quick adjustment for the most part except in the case of heavy carrydown. Instead these people just continue sucking off the oil on the lane and continue using the particle balls. Then they wonder why they keep beaking it right through the nose.

Tonight was a prime example one person was using the Ultimate Inferno (Not Particle, but still a heavy oil ball regardless. If the speed dropped just a little, the ball went right through the middle. Me, I just continued moving deeper with the Xception and kept on striking. End result, 236-235-248 for a 719 series. The next closest series on my pair was 660 and the guy was using plastic for all 3 games. But the people who use these heavy oilers act bewildered when they can't control it on the lanes.

I wish people would actually research balls before buying them, or at least learn to adjust somewhat. Might be a meaningless rant but it's been bugging me for a couple of weeks now.
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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2005, 01:16:56 AM »
DavidKSNK: I don't mind hearing this topic, as I face a lot of the same issues in my fresh THS league. I hear a lot of people crying about having to switch equipment from game to game as the shot break downs quickly, especially if you have some teams who have 1 or 2 people throwing Animals and Warp Zones from 10 and out, soaking up what little oil would be out there to play upon. This particular house has incredibly tough carry if you keep the ball inside of 10 at the breakpoint, so people are forced to play the twig usually with something medium/light and often move to plastic by the second game as everything else they have is hooking too much off the dry.

That's why my Hot Wire has been getting a lot of use on Mondays, and sometimes the Barrage if I have enough lefties playing on my pair...

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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2005, 04:33:32 AM »
David,

I agree, people do NOT research what ball, for them, is best. I've see people who did no research, just took what others said and went with that. I'll look at someone's delivery, the ball reaction ( here we only have one house) and when they ask, i'll try to suggest 2-4 balls that will fit, in my opinion. BUT...I always show and explain that each ball will not do the same with each bowler.

We have some in the league that feel they are pro material, HAVE to have the biggest hook, highest score, most balls in the house, you get the picture, and when one is not working for them, it's the lanes, or the people 3 lanes over who just went nuts when one of the guys made a tough spare, always something to blame for the wrong ball on that condition.

We do have one guy, he'll pull out his White Dot in a second, if nothing else works for him, that night and he's good enough to have a pretty good night, he is the exception. I think most people want to look like the "pros" and then wonder why the game is not there on a given night. Not everyone needs, or can handle , a huge hook ( i know I can't), so live within your game. Try other things, but play within yourself and don't try to be a Walter Ray, or anyone else but themselves.

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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2005, 08:44:42 AM »
Well, you can moan about particle balls all you want, but right now my Silver Streak particle is saving my backside (granted, it's not a "big hooker").  Every medium+ resin ball I have is WAY too much on the backends lately.  If I want to go beak or leave 2-8-10 they're just great, but I'd prefer to score.  So I switched to the SSP, at 1000 grit, and suddenly, the backends are just fine, thank you.  My resin stuff was just jerking too much when it hit the dry; particle doesn't do that.
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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2005, 10:14:22 AM »
Being left handed I face this everytime I'm bowling with other left handers. They pull out their Goliaths, Animals, Raging Infernos, Big Bullys,(you get the idea) on the driest conditions and I'm constantly asking myself why? You cannot blame a lot the bowlers in a lot of these cases because that is what they see on TV ( They see the pros like Robert Smith and Pete Weber hook the lane and they want to be able to do that no matter what) and that is what drillers have to deal and try to give them. The other side of the spectrum is that beginners like to see their ball HOOOOOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is like an addiction to see the ball move from one end of the lane to the other. These types of bowlers are often what we call HSB's ( House Shot Bowlers ) They only bowl when they know the outsides are open and their big pieces are going to hook end to end. They have yet to realize that bowling is all about the control of yourself and equipment and if you cannot control your equipment then it throws off your approach and your read of the reaction. A lot of bowlers have no choice; example I have seen many 190+ avg. HSB's bring 4-7 pieces to league and it's all high friction equipment, yet they avg. 140-50-and 60 on any other condition because the condition is designed to take the big hook out of the equation.
The biggest ball i've been throwing over the past month is a Red Fuze drilled with a good midlane and controlled backend. I like to throw particles on drier conditions but they are weak hooking particles: balls like the Super Scamp, Scamp, Polished Sparkle Predator(drilled weak). I don't see how these bowlers can get their balls to hook with the burnout factor and all.
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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2005, 10:22:38 AM »
david,

Everyone has pretty much hit on it already. When someone walks in and is going to spend $140-$200 on a ball they always tell me they want something that hooks. I think it is because they have a problem spending that money on something that is not made to hook a ton.

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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2005, 10:30:29 AM »
good point excaliber. spoken like a true bowler.
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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2005, 11:00:51 AM »
From my perspective I see more bowlers wanting an hook-in-the box ball for THS because they are not the higher caliber bowler and need help cause they do not have the hand needed with a lesser agressive ball. If someone walks in asking for a hook in the box that is what they get, but I sell more mid price balls than the high dollar balls. And yes there are still those that remark they can not control the ball after the 15th frame, why? How bout they do not know how to adjust, most of which are once or twice a week league bowlers that never bowl in tournament not even local assoc tourneys. They are content of be 160-175 average bowlers. Most of which play between 5-10 playing straight up or a small swing, if that is the csae and I'm bowling I just migrate deeper inside and stay on the fresh shot.
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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2005, 11:02:56 AM »
There are to many variables to take into account to make an acurate judgement.
Most of the comments that have been made so far are from experienced bowlers
(180-200..). You have spent time learning the game developing your release and learning how to play the game. A lot of the people that you bowl with in a league who have 130-160 even 170 averages haven't developed there game to that level. They buy a ball because like some of you have mentioned because somebody told them that its the most hooking ball out there or because of the color or price. The house that I bowl in has such dry backends i've used plastice,urethane and now a monster bruiser drilled weak. Some people just don't know any better and don't put in the time to find out. I'm sure it better in high average leagues or scratch leagues.

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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2005, 01:05:59 PM »
I think a large part of the problem is that people go into a pro shop or onto eBay or one of the many online pro-shops, and look for a "game altering" ball.  People don't go into the pro shop anymore and ask the person who knows what ball will hook most on that shot.  For a couple of years, I had a teammate who threw a Roll, and then a Freak on a light oil shot, while I'm outhooking him with a Game Pearl or a red Vendetta.  He said I had more hand, but I'm really a fudge-knuckler.  I currently have a teammate that I had to convince that a Cure was not the ball to use.

I do want to mention one other thing, and it's that these damn aggressive balls are so powerful, they (almost) never roll out.  People don't see that they're using the wrong ball because it seems to hit hard.  Even to the point where they can't stop leaving corner pins.

It just amazes me that these people actually think they're good.
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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2005, 11:01:39 PM »
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david,

Everyone has pretty much hit on it already. When someone walks in and is going to spend $140-$200 on a ball they always tell me they want something that hooks. I think it is because they have a problem spending that money on something that is not made to hook a ton.

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Well I think this is unfortunate because a ball that "hooks" is not always the answer to the shot they bowl on. I don't know, I think it is somewhat amusing watching people throwing stuff like the Goliath on dry lane conditions. I'll pull out my Eraser Banshee which is drilled for length and go 30 boards right to the 5 board and back 15 to smash the pocket. They seem to be shocked most of the time when I say I paid $160 total for the ball.

Thanks for all the input here guys.

I guess I haven't realized that a lot of the bowlers out there are content averaging 150-180 and will just buy some big hook monster for the hell of it. I think it hurts the sport that a lot of league bowlers really don't know jack **** about bowling period.
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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2005, 06:09:10 PM »
i am in the above category. i have bought balls which didn't match my needs. trauma response & golden nugget being the top 2. 1st when i didn't know what particle was & 2nd i wanted to try a hometown company. now i know particle is not right for where/how i bowl. live & learn. now i go to someone who sees me bowl in league. he turned me onto an ultrasonic that retains energy & allows me to play straighter which i like. it hits better than the hook-in-the-boxes i have tried. key to this: having someone understand how you bowl. yes, i am getting smarter & i figure now what works for me (xxx factor & ultrasonic). but having people who understand better than i do & explain to me why i don't need another strong ball is key. doesn't stop me from wanting to try weapon of mass bias. sigh, so maybe i won't ever really learn.
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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2005, 12:58:36 PM »
When I met with BrunsRicH the other day, he took a look at what I had for my "old" game. His comment - think about a set of golf clubs. You've got a driver, woods, irons, wedge, and putter.
Look at the bowling balls you've accumulated. Driver, Driver, wedge, iron, driver, driver, etc...

What he suggested is that I drill up some of these to fill in the gaps, so I had a better chance with my "new" game.
Awesome advice, and great analogy.

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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2005, 01:11:11 PM »
Why do you care what someone else is using?  Pay attention to your own game and let the rest take care of itself.

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Re: Particle and heavy oil resin balls on house shots
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2005, 01:29:08 PM »
Have to agree with everyone here. I used to be one of these people, thinking all I want to do is get more hook. I got frustrated throwing the ball straight up 5 while everyone else was swinging the lanes, asked my driller to get me something that hooked, and got it. Now, I am looking for stuff that does not hook, since my game has changed a lot since then. I love when i have the opportunity to go straight up. Take a look at the balls i purchased 2 years ago for ths-

mutant
Diesel particle
Command zone arc(strong solid reactive)
Freak

Now, some of the ball purchases lately, for the same shots and some sport shots-

Purple Pearl hit
Tornado blue violet
Flash point
Saw blade, pin 1 inch from pap (weak drill)
tpc player, pin under bridge
Command zone arc again

As you can see, even though this isn't all the balls i've purchased, this gives you a good idea of how i've changed.

I can relate to the thb, and at one time did complain about them using up oil, but looked into my own past, and could see their reasoning.
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