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PowrKoil17

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Ball Speed
« on: January 13, 2013, 12:44:32 PM »
I currently throw 16lb balls. My teammates are constantly telling me I need more ball speed even though I am near the pocket on most every shot, with the exception of shots containing bowler error. Because of my ball speed maybe 14-15 mph I usually have to play much deeper, easily 5 to 8 boards left of where any of my teammates are playing.

My question is this, is ball speed a mechanical issue, or a ball weight issue? Or both? I have considered the drop to 15's, but don't really want to start the arsenal all over.
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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2013, 12:51:27 PM »
You can speed up your feet by adding another step or by taking bigger steps in your approach. This will cause a reaction that makes your backswing a little higher and creating more ball speed. Whatever you do, don't use your arm to simply throw the ball harder. That will cause all kinds of timing and pulling problems. You HAVE to keep the swing smooth in order to have any consistency with your shot.

However, if you are okay playing deeper, it isn't that big of a deal. It sounds like you are rev-dominant. If that's the case, make sure you have the right surface on your balls in order to get them through the midlane.

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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2013, 01:00:07 PM »
A pro shop operator in my area feels that bowlers that primarily play down and in will see a slight advantage using 16 lb. equipment versus 15 lb. equipment. For those bowlers playing an inside line, the better weight is 15 lbs.

He changed to from 16 to 15 almost a decade ago and has been drilling full time for more than 30 years.




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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2013, 02:15:09 PM »
I will try the bigger steps. I do believe that I am rev dominant compared to my speed, I try to keep my bowling balls polished with smoother surfaces such as 2000 and 4000 abralon. The surface changes have really helped me with the C System 2.5 and getting it through the front part of the lane especially. Using this type of surface gives me a lot of skid snap type reaction. Which most of the time I can deal with, but sometimes can be very over under and a struggle.

I don't mind playing deeper, but it seems that I always wind up pulling the ball left for a few shots a game because of it, which is all on the bowler and his focus I believe. I am relatively new to bowling league wise and I am definitely still in the learning phase and greatly appreciate the insight from the bowlers on this site and in my league.
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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2013, 07:42:43 PM »
PK17,

As someone who has always struggled getting decent ball speed, it makes a difference going from 16 to 15 to 14. It's easier getting more speed but it's mostly a personal mechanical and muscular difference. From personal observation, carry goes up almost exponentially the further outside you move and the less ball and kinetic energy it takes to make the ball hook, the more energy is applied to pins. Down and in rules unless you have higher revs PLUS higher ball speed (true cranker). A rev dominant person is at the bottom of the "food chain", bowling carry-wise, in general (for the 95% case).

Increase leg speed and/or approach length and/or arm swing speed and/or reduce ball weight and/or shoulder muscle. All will make positive contributions towards better ball speed.
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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2013, 07:51:52 PM »
Variables that are important in carry...ball speed and rav rate need to work together or match up to optimize pin carry, if you're rev dominant you should drop in weight...you never want your angles too opened up or forced into bad angles...second due to normal acceleration and G-force, a bowling balls picks up 3-4 Gs or your 16 becomes 48-64lbs by release in comparison to 15lbs=45-60lbs over x-amount of games,....stay within comfort and make simple changes...which IMHO would be weight
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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2013, 08:23:57 AM »
I believe for most healthy young males ball speed is more of a mechanical than a ball weight issue.

That being said in my later years I have become more rev dominate and my ball speed off my hand has dropped to about 15mph.

Once you get nominal ball speed (say 14 mph). The biggest factor is throwing the ball a consistent speed.

To me the biggest issue with lower ball speed is lane transition. It seems that when I get a break down in the lanes it is not going a little high and leaving a 4 pin, the ball over reacts and goes thru the nose.

I have to watch my ball reaction closely and see signs of the ball reacting earlier and then I tend to have to make bigger moves than someone with higher ball speed.

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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2013, 09:40:13 AM »
I believe for most healthy young males ball speed is more of a mechanical than a ball weight issue.

+1 to this. I'm 22 but I've never been able to throw it more than 14-15mph and always felt like it held me back, especially on house shots. I used to throw it with all muscle but I relaxed my entire swing and ended up losing even more ball speed. I just started speeding up my feet and pushing it away quicker, and now I'm up about a mph and I notice a huge difference in how clean my ball gets down lane. I'm able to stay right longer now. You should definitely work on mechanics first. If you still feel like your speed is slow after making changes, then I'd say drop to 15. Just make sure your timing stays in tact when you  speed everything up. Faster feet with the same armswing speed will cause even more problems.

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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2013, 09:44:46 AM »
Too many do not relate between free swing and muscle...muscle creates deceleration more times than not. In today's game, you have to match rev rate to ball speed correctly thus creating proper entry angle and deflection and the heavier ball does NOT always create this.
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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2013, 10:25:17 AM »
A free swing is just that, a free swing.  If you add no muscle in the swing, you get a set ball speed at the bottom of the swing.  Ultimately you want as free a swing as possible.  If you are stationary at the foul line and release ball with a free swing, that is the ball speed you start with.  Any additional speed should come from your legs. 

When I was younger, my velocity into my slide was quite fast and as a result, my ball speed was fast.  As I got older (and after 10 years in the Marine Corps), my knees couldn't handle the same velocity into my slide.  As a result, my 19-20 mph release became a 17 mph release.  When this happened, my rev rate no longer matched my ball speed.  I don't want to throw the ball 20 mph anymore, so I had to cut back on my rev rate a little to become as matched as I could.

I don't know why you throw the ball 14 mph.  As JustRico said, too many people try to muscle the ball and end up decelerating their swing, reducing the ball speed.  Your ultimate goal is to become rev/speed matched.  If it means increasing your ball speed, look at your approach and arm swing.  If it means reducing your revs, look at taking your hand out of the ball a little.  And please, don't increase your stride (length of step) to increase your speed.  You should increase the speed of your steps as you get to your slide to gain ball speed.  Think slow, slow, faster, faster.

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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2013, 10:27:20 AM »
Due to a recent disability, and no longer being able to slide (I now plant at the line), I found my ball speed decreased, and my revs increased (not to mention timing issues).

Once I got comfortable planting (not feeling like I was going to fall on my face), I concentrated on increasing ball speed by a higher starting position, and quickening my steps.

Next I changed my release, using less turn, and more of an open hand "suitcase" style....thus enabling me to play further right and straighter.

I also went to weaker equipment, and now my first and favorite piece is a Shout, at 2000 polished.

The biggest thing was to get some "eyes" on me to watch what I was doing, and offer some good coaching.
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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 08:35:28 AM »
Lot's of good suggestions.  I  too have tried to get my ball speed up from over the past year and have tried several things to do that, many that have been suggested.  I use to throw 15lbs and was very rev dominant, always way deeper than most people and transition killed me as even the weakest equipment was not weak enough to push down the lane or carry.  Here are all the changes I have made: I went to 16 to stop muscling the ball and as stated "stop decelerating the armswing" The harder I tried to throw it the more I revved it. I worked on adding a more up the back release to get more push through the front. I got away from all the asymetyrical cores and throw predominantly symetrical balls to smooth out the over under and hide my poorly released shots.  Lastly I changed from a pushaway to a hinge to get more ball swing.  Still working on this change.  Expect to go down in average before you go up. I dropped from 218 last year to 200 for the first 3 months and am only now starting to get back to my average of last year. I'm never goint to be a fireballer But now I can stay to the right of third arrow for three games.  Your mileage may vary and the move up in weight helped me because I was overthrowing and I can't rev a 16 like I can a 15  but for most folks the jump in weight is probably not the way to go.

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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2013, 09:22:44 AM »
Legs are what helps create as well as increase ball speed but if the weight of the bowling ball is over powering the bowler, then the primary factor is the weight of the bowling ball. If you try to increase foot speed with the improper weight, all you will do is run and end up with poor balance.
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Re: Ball Speed
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2013, 12:29:25 PM »
I have often thought I was more free with my 16 than my 15.

In fact I agree with many of the comments of Polish Hammer.  More of a hinge ditto.

Less on the side ditto, faster feet because more in synch!  ditto.

It seems to be going somewhere.  Climbing!

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