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Particle pearl replacement possibilities? ?
« on: November 12, 2013, 09:02:06 AM »
So my favorite ball ever finally caved last week. My el nino 2000 cracked the bridge and started cracking deeper. This ball was a work horse for me and I'm sad to see it go. Question is, are pearl reactives similar enough? I have a defiant, 505a and a mars in the bag, but I find them lacking what the el nino had. Any suggestions on something that might fill the void? Was looking for another particle pearl, but seems they are non existent now

Thanks in advance

 

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2013, 09:09:25 AM »
Defiant Edge from Roto Grip is particle pearl and is a beast of a ball.
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Re: Particle pearl replacement possibilities? ?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2013, 09:24:01 AM »
Righty...is...right! Defiant Edge is a particle!
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Re: Particle pearl replacement possibilities? ?
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2013, 10:09:01 AM »
Your El Nino isn't dead, it's only sleeping.  Your pro shop can drill out the finger area, plug and redrill it to bring it back to life.  --  JohnP

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2013, 10:20:35 AM »
Your El Nino isn't dead, it's only sleeping.  Your pro shop can drill out the finger area, plug and redrill it to bring it back to life.  --  JohnP
I've already plugged and redrilled her 3 times, my girlfriends father drills at night for a pro shop so I do all my fixes and drills, the crack is going to the core now and its been plugged for ball damage 2 other times. Its better to replace than use till it splits in half on the shaker board lol. I haven't kept up with ball technology over the past few years, been busy with life and not bowling much.

I might have an edge on the shelf to plug and redrill at the shop, thanks for the suggestion

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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013, 02:26:32 PM »
Take a look at the Lord Field equipment, they have a number of particle pearl offerings. The Judgement is one that sticks out as a really versatile ball that can cover a wide array of volumes and lengths of oil.
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Re: Particle pearl replacement possibilities? ?
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2013, 04:51:13 PM »
So my favorite ball ever finally caved last week. My el nino 2000 cracked the bridge and started cracking deeper. This ball was a work horse for me and I'm sad to see it go. Question is, are pearl reactives similar enough? I have a defiant, 505a and a mars in the bag, but I find them lacking what the el nino had. Any suggestions on something that might fill the void? Was looking for another particle pearl, but seems they are non existent now

Thanks in advance

The Defiant is also a particle, but a solid.

Perhaps you should explain what the El Nino 2000 has or did that the others do do or don't have. There are particle balls and then there are particles balls of different charcteristics. Not all are the same. We need to know what you're looking for or people will suggest the particle ball.
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Re: Particle pearl replacement possibilities? ?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2013, 06:37:09 AM »
I will agree with a post above. Lord Field has several particle pearl pieces. I think the the Bad News in an incredible ball. Also check out the Higgs Force.

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Re: Particle pearl replacement possibilities? ?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2013, 07:25:24 AM »
So my favorite ball ever finally caved last week. My el nino 2000 cracked the bridge and started cracking deeper. This ball was a work horse for me and I'm sad to see it go. Question is, are pearl reactives similar enough? I have a defiant, 505a and a mars in the bag, but I find them lacking what the el nino had. Any suggestions on something that might fill the void? Was looking for another particle pearl, but seems they are non existent now

Thanks in advance

The Defiant is also a particle, but a solid.

Perhaps you should explain what the El Nino 2000 has or did that the others do do or don't have. There are particle balls and then there are particles balls of different charcteristics. Not all are the same. We need to know what you're looking for or people will suggest the particle ball.

The main aspect I'm missing from the El Nino is the length and shape of the ball to the pocket. I have weaker balls which get me down the lane (505A) but most of them are a more continuous roll type look for me. The El Nino was a great "go long, go hard" ball that gave me the ability to play many lines and always know that ball had a ton of energy for the dry and could recover due to being a pearl and having an aggressive particle load cover.

I'm not looking for a "hook in a box" ball, my span is 6" and I produce enough revs naturally without trying that I need to get back to lining myself up with equipment that will work with me instead of "for" me. I love throwing my 505, but in heavier oil the shape lacks continuation thru the pocket with the oil I see around here (new lane house putting out heavier THS conditions with outside bounce taken away and a really old house who floods the heads to try and protect the lanes).

I guess I knew particles were still around, they just aren't labeled as such and those who are particle covers do not really give enough info about particle load, everyone keeps using only the "fancy" cover and core names to be flashy.

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2013, 10:10:15 AM »

Perhaps you should explain what the El Nino 2000 has or did that the others do do or don't have. There are particle balls and then there are particles balls of different charcteristics. Not all are the same. We need to know what you're looking for or people will suggest the particle ball.

The main aspect I'm missing from the El Nino is the length and shape of the ball to the pocket. I have weaker balls which get me down the lane (505A) but most of them are a more continuous roll type look for me. The El Nino was a great "go long, go hard" ball that gave me the ability to play many lines and always know that ball had a ton of energy for the dry and could recover due to being a pearl and having an aggressive particle load cover.

I'm not looking for a "hook in a box" ball, my span is 6" and I produce enough revs naturally without trying that I need to get back to lining myself up with equipment that will work with me instead of "for" me. I love throwing my 505, but in heavier oil the shape lacks continuation thru the pocket with the oil I see around here (new lane house putting out heavier THS conditions with outside bounce taken away and a really old house who floods the heads to try and protect the lanes).

I guess I knew particles were still around, they just aren't labeled as such and those who are particle covers do not really give enough info about particle load, everyone keeps using only the "fancy" cover and core names to be flashy.

Thanks. I think I have a better idea what you need.

Keep in mind that some particle balls (usually those with medium to higher loads) are meant to enhance control and some (usually those with medium or light loads of particles) are meant to handle more oil but to give more backend.

I recently tried a Lord Field Nasty, http://www.lordfield.com/en/products/nasty_ball_view.php. The ball review in BJI indicated a control ball with the stock surface, 2000 grit dull, and with polish. I needed that kind of ball for my sport league. I added some polish but ball was still on the strong backend side or neutral. I think there wasn't enough oil for that coverstock. I suspect my drilling (pin over the bridge) added too much strength to the backend. I think at some dull grit, maybe 2000 or 4000 grit, it will suit my purpose. Maybe yours also? Not sure.

AS mentioned by someone above, Lord Field makes several particle balls, both perl and solid, of different strengths. Roto-Grip also makes a pearl of your Defiant, the Defiant Edge. Between LF's choices and the Edge, AND the right surface, I'm sure one of them will be exactly what you need.
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Re: Particle pearl replacement possibilities? ?
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2013, 10:42:05 AM »

Perhaps you should explain what the El Nino 2000 has or did that the others do do or don't have. There are particle balls and then there are particles balls of different charcteristics. Not all are the same. We need to know what you're looking for or people will suggest the particle ball.

The main aspect I'm missing from the El Nino is the length and shape of the ball to the pocket. I have weaker balls which get me down the lane (505A) but most of them are a more continuous roll type look for me. The El Nino was a great "go long, go hard" ball that gave me the ability to play many lines and always know that ball had a ton of energy for the dry and could recover due to being a pearl and having an aggressive particle load cover.

I'm not looking for a "hook in a box" ball, my span is 6" and I produce enough revs naturally without trying that I need to get back to lining myself up with equipment that will work with me instead of "for" me. I love throwing my 505, but in heavier oil the shape lacks continuation thru the pocket with the oil I see around here (new lane house putting out heavier THS conditions with outside bounce taken away and a really old house who floods the heads to try and protect the lanes).

I guess I knew particles were still around, they just aren't labeled as such and those who are particle covers do not really give enough info about particle load, everyone keeps using only the "fancy" cover and core names to be flashy.

Thanks. I think I have a better idea what you need.

Keep in mind that some particle balls (usually those with medium to higher loads) are meant to enhance control and some (usually those with medium or light loads of particles) are meant to handle more oil but to give more backend.

I recently tried a Lord Field Nasty, http://www.lordfield.com/en/products/nasty_ball_view.php. The ball review in BJI indicated a control ball with the stock surface, 2000 grit dull, and with polish. I needed that kind of ball for my sport league. I added some polish but ball was still on the strong backend side or neutral. I think there wasn't enough oil for that coverstock. I suspect my drilling (pin over the bridge) added too much strength to the backend. I think at some dull grit, maybe 2000 or 4000 grit, it will suit my purpose. Maybe yours also? Not sure.

AS mentioned by someone above, Lord Field makes several particle balls, both perl and solid, of different strengths. Roto-Grip also makes a pearl of your Defiant, the Defiant Edge. Between LF's choices and the Edge, AND the right surface, I'm sure one of them will be exactly what you need.

Thank you sir! I'm going to do some research on the exacts of the El Nino as far as particle load and surface and find something to match. Luckily with everyone giving great info on items now it makes it a bit easier to follow now that I have a path to start on .

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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2013, 03:09:45 PM »

Thank you sir! I'm going to do some research on the exacts of the El Nino as far as particle load and surface and find something to match. Luckily with everyone giving great info on items now it makes it a bit easier to follow now that I have a path to start on .

I don't men to overly complicate things but a word of caution.
It's not just the exact load of particles. The surface that meets the lane and the oil is a combination of the resin AND the particle load. I doubt the El Nino had a very strong resin coverstock with respect to today's resins. They are in general much stronger. That Defiant is probably one of the strongest. So it's likely to be much more aggressive (resin + particles) than your El Nino 2000 ever was.
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Re: Particle pearl replacement possibilities? ?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2013, 03:43:36 PM »
If you really want to match a ball the type and size of the particle is as important as the load %.

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Re: Particle pearl replacement possibilities? ?
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2013, 03:45:38 PM »

Thank you sir! I'm going to do some research on the exacts of the El Nino as far as particle load and surface and find something to match. Luckily with everyone giving great info on items now it makes it a bit easier to follow now that I have a path to start on .

I don't men to overly complicate things but a word of caution.
It's not just the exact load of particles. The surface that meets the lane and the oil is a combination of the resin AND the particle load. I doubt the El Nino had a very strong resin coverstock with respect to today's resins. They are in general much stronger. That Defiant is probably one of the strongest. So it's likely to be much more aggressive (resin + particles) than your El Nino 2000 ever was.

Definitely understand that, I only have a defiant in my bag cause it was offered pre-release to my by the pro shop I work at sometimes so I could throw it and get some clue as to what they could offer to customers. I love the ball, it's just a beast and I really have a hard time getting it thru the heads without changing my axis a ton and losing some entry angle.

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Re: Particle pearl replacement possibilities? ?
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2013, 04:32:29 PM »

Thank you sir! I'm going to do some research on the exacts of the El Nino as far as particle load and surface and find something to match. Luckily with everyone giving great info on items now it makes it a bit easier to follow now that I have a path to start on .

I don't men to overly complicate things but a word of caution.
It's not just the exact load of particles. The surface that meets the lane and the oil is a combination of the resin AND the particle load. I doubt the El Nino had a very strong resin coverstock with respect to today's resins. They are in general much stronger. That Defiant is probably one of the strongest. So it's likely to be much more aggressive (resin + particles) than your El Nino 2000 ever was.

Definitely understand that, I only have a defiant in my bag cause it was offered pre-release to my by the pro shop I work at sometimes so I could throw it and get some clue as to what they could offer to customers. I love the ball, it's just a beast and I really have a hard time getting it thru the heads without changing my axis a ton and losing some entry angle.

Ever try a finer grit level or even a small dose of polish (especially if you don't face true heavy oil on a regular basis)?
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