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BrunsNick

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Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« on: May 11, 2005, 05:48:13 PM »
Heard from a little birdy that he'll dropping Hammer this season...

Any thoughts?
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2005, 06:11:06 PM »
I made no comments about him being with Storm. I don't think they are on his list. I spoke to him on the phone and he is quite comfortable being a free agent next season if he has to. Look at Danny Wiseman. He is a free agent and doing quite well. I'm sure PA will make the best decision for himself. He is a great talent to watch on the lanes. Remember every ball company has a budget and that always comes into consideration. A company cannot just give you money because it is a business.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2005, 06:29:39 PM »
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If he really wants to win a lot more he will switch to track because they make the best equipment by far.


Agreed...

Seriously though Track needs to make their PBA staff stronger, although I'm not his biggest fan, PA would be great, and I really think Track would work well in his hands.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2005, 06:35:25 PM »
PA used Track before, 2001 PBA Greater Detroit Open, not sure if he was on staff though, he was using a Hex.

(You can watch this show if you have strikepass)


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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2005, 06:56:03 PM »
Who cares what these guys throw. They have such different releases, styles, and bowl on such different lane conditions from most of us that it really does not matter to us what they throw.

On top of that, almost every ball reaction can be found in every company. I challenge anyone to find a reaction in one company that the others cannot replicate/that the pro's can't make work.

I also find it rediculous that people on this website would buy a ball based on what pa is throwing. That is just plain stupid.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2005, 07:35:19 PM »
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On top of that, almost every ball reaction can be found in every company. I challenge anyone to find a reaction in one company that the others cannot replicate/that the pro's can't make work.


I don't think anyone here has ever, ever said anything differently.  Every time a ball contract expires or someone's favorite pro changes equipment, there's a big argument about how much better new company X is than old company Y and vice versa.  Then there's a bunch of people that say "I sure wish player Z would throw company U" for various companies U.  Then there's the few who get really mad and say it doesn't matter what they throw, they're still better than you and one can duplicate the reactions between companies.  

This time, you won the prize for pointing that out.  Maybe next time, someone else will say so in the first page of posts.  So what if we want to see someone throw a particular brand.  You act like we don't know that they're different from us and that they can do magical things with a bowling ball while we can't.  We know.  We don't care.

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I also find it rediculous that people on this website would buy a ball based on what pa is throwing. That is just plain stupid.


Anyone here think like that?  Would you buy a ball JUST BECAUSE YOU SAW IT ON TV?  No, I didn't think so.  The BRNRC is more discriminating and educated than that.  Maybe you could give us more credit than that.  

But would I like to see someone throw the same equipment I'm throwing?  Sure would.  It's neat to see what they can do with it.  How it reacts the same or differently compared to what I can do.

Have you ever bought a CD on the recommendation of a friend?  Because you heard a song on the radio?  That's so stupid.  How does your friend know that you'll like it?  If you don't, you've just wasted your money.  How do you know that you'll like the other songs on the CD after hearing only one or two of them?  You might not, and again, a waste of money.

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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2005, 07:39:46 PM »
shelley,

*two thumbs up*

I'd guess a conversation at a dinner party with stanski would be rather dull.

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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2005, 07:44:22 PM »
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2005, 07:54:20 PM »
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shelley,
*two thumbs up*


Thank you.  It does get kind of old seeing the same stuff over and over.  We might as well discuss the relative merits of $250 Lane #1 balls vs $150 Brunswick balls.    

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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2005, 07:54:24 PM »
Shelley, here are two examples from this thread:

dpunky   Posted: 5/12/2005 9:08 AM
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I hope he does not leave Hammer. He really does a good job showcasing their bowling balls. I would not have bought my Real Deal if I didn't see him throw it in one of his tournament wins.

Mr Lefty  Posted: 5/12/2005 9:44 AM
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aww...that sucks that hes leaving...i wouldnt have picked up any hammer stuff if it werent for pa, now the real deal is my go to ball....it be nice i guess to see him either with track or storm...
 
Obviously, you failed to read the posts. It appears some people are "that stupid". You just joined the club. Read before you type.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2005, 08:01:31 PM »
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Obviously, you failed to read the posts. It appears some people are "that stupid". You just joined the club. Read before you type.


I have a very limited short term memory.  I was more making a general point rather than an absolute one.  I still stand by what I said.  I don't think many people buy balls solely because they saw them on TV.  Without knowing more about their situations, I would guess that they were already considering Hammer and merely needed some positive reinforcement.  Or maybe their styles are very similar to PA's and after consulting their driller, they went with Hammer.

I don't think you're being very nice to either of those individuals by calling them stupid.  You (probably) have no direct knowledge of why they bought those balls beyond the short "bought it because of PA" lines.  I think you should apologize for being rude.

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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2005, 08:10:14 PM »
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Obviously, you failed to read the posts. It appears some people are "that stupid". You just joined the club. Read before you type.


I have a very limited short term memory.  I was more making a general point rather than an absolute one.  I still stand by what I said.  I don't think many people buy balls solely because they saw them on TV.  Without knowing more about their situations, I would guess that they were already considering Hammer and merely needed some positive reinforcement.  Or maybe their styles are very similar to PA's and after consulting their driller, they went with Hammer.

I don't think you're being very nice to either of those individuals by calling them stupid.  You (probably) have no direct knowledge of why they bought those balls beyond the short "bought it because of PA" lines.  I think you should apologize for being rude.

SH


I was also referring to the 2 people in the thread who said they bought the ball, it seemed, based almost solely on the fact that they saw it on tv. I'm sorry that I'm pointing out the obvious again, maybe no one wants to hear differing opinions?

And I also feel sorry for those who feel they need to belittle me based on my ideas. Are we really that immature that we must go so low as to put a person down based on my opinion (charliebrown)?
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2005, 08:14:28 PM »
I would not agree that people don't buy equipment due to it being on tv. I know I have bought a few balls after seeing it used on tv and also after seeing other people use it. Go back a few years when the Track Triton Heat came out. How long did that dominate the tour. How many people bought the ball just because of that. Not to mention it was a very good ball. So I would have to say that yes by seeing a ball on tv or seeing someone use it does make somepeople think about a ball purchase. There is a saying in Nascar (ok maybe auto racing period) a win on Sunday means sales on Monday. I would have to say the samething holds true in bowling to a point.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2005, 08:19:04 PM »
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Shelley, here are two examples from this thread:

dpunky   Posted: 5/12/2005 9:08 AM
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I hope he does not leave Hammer. He really does a good job showcasing their bowling balls. I would not have bought my Real Deal if I didn't see him throw it in one of his tournament wins.

Mr Lefty  Posted: 5/12/2005 9:44 AM
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aww...that sucks that hes leaving...i wouldnt have picked up any hammer stuff if it werent for pa, now the real deal is my go to ball....it be nice i guess to see him either with track or storm...
 
Obviously, you failed to read the posts. It appears some people are "that stupid". You just joined the club. Read before you type.




WOW....since I've been implicated in being "that stupid", let me defend my position in my quote.  The reason why ball companies have pros on their staff is to advertise their product.  It's a way of marketing like comercials on TV.  Since ball companies don't put commercial spots on tv break spots, companies have to use pros using the product to showcase the product the general masses (i.e. me).  I don't have the luxury of having pro shops telling of every ball release, nor do I get to see the majority of ball thrown in my bowling center.  I either depend on word of mouth, or by seeing it on TV.  However, for the record, I don't solely use the TV to make my ball choices.  Seeing Patrick Allen throw the Real Deal on TV really peaked my interest on the ball since I was searching for a heavy oil ball.  It started me doing research on this and other heavy oil balls.  After talking with the companies directly, and using the feedback and videos from this forum, I made an educated decision.  

I use multiple approaches to make my ball decision choices.  I'm a visual person, and seeing the ball in action certainly helps me a bit.  I have a similar stlye to PA, except that I'm right handed.  It helps to see someone with my style throw equipment.  But I do stand behind my statement that I would not have bought my Real Deal without seeing Patrick Allen throw it.  I don't see anyone else in my area throw it, and I wanted to get a visual look at the performance of the ball before I would devote more time into information research.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2005, 08:21:46 PM »
stanski,

Dude, it's only a light-hearted comment. I apologize if you feel offended.

I'm not here to bite anyone's head off.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2005, 08:23:51 PM »
dpunky,

Couldn't agree more.

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