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Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« on: May 11, 2005, 05:48:13 PM »
Heard from a little birdy that he'll dropping Hammer this season...

Any thoughts?
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2005, 08:33:13 PM »
Has anyone thought that maybe Hammer didn't want to re-sign PA???  Or maybe,  they laid the law down to him about the way he acts (has acted) on television and he didn't like it.

His attitude and actions (ie. the tournament where he beat Mika and acted like a REAL ARSE) during the season were more than enough to make a ball company think twice about having someone like him represent them.

Free agency may be his only choice for a while in my opinion...
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2005, 09:41:59 PM »
The interesting question is, if he becomes free agent as there are others in the elite group of tour exempt players, will he be seen using Hammer products without having to use them under contract obligations?

Will he do what walter ray does and sell his TV time to another company when he makes it to television?

There is no brand loyalty. Sooner or later you'll remember the days when they all threw different companies atleast once.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2005, 12:39:16 AM »
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There is no brand loyalty. Sooner or later you'll remember the days when they all threw different companies atleast once.


There's not necessarily any point to brand loyalty, when you can get any reaction you want from any company.  Sometime's it's not just about the reaction but the carry.  Maybe it's my inexperience, but I've pulled out two different "similar" balls and had success with one but not with the other.  It's not like using a strong particle ball that's burning up on toast and switching to a milder ball.  Two medium balls (or heavy or whatever) with similar drills that react very similarly, but one carries and the other doesn't.  If that happens, why restrict yourself to one company when two similar balls can produce different results.

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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2005, 01:19:29 AM »
obviously he wants to join the nation!!
but more seriously its in my opinion not about the money.  Judging by what I've seen of PA he would rather win a tournament for 40k as opposed to be given 40k and lose the tournament.  Hes probably looking at the company and noticing that Hammer isn't producing the same number of high quality bowling balls as many other companies (B, C300, Storm).  The larger R&D teams would lead to more top notch equipment for him to choose from.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2005, 01:52:13 AM »
I am not using hammer stuff right now.  But I"ve bowled well with a lot of their stuff in the past.

I've been impressed with PA use of their stuff and have to confess as to being that stupid after he won that week of trading for a Vicious because his reaction that week confirmed what I'd seen from some righties.
Yes it does snap baby!

Now lately are best bowler around here is throwing hammer and I am very impressed with the two balls he is using.  The Big Deal and the Hi Rev.(of couse I loved my  Violet hammer in its day).

Of course I loved the way the ball looked when he was with track, thought it looked great but TOO much reaction when he was with AMF, and now looks probably the best I've seen this great throwing atom bomb thrower now with hammer!

They Don't have good stuff?  I've heard everyone LOVES the REAL DEal.

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PS I have a sharp blade that I think is going to be good when I convert from righty drill to lefty!  A friend has a an old Blade Particle, shoots some big numbers with it and swears by it!
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2005, 08:09:00 AM »
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Has anyone thought that maybe Hammer didn't want to re-sign PA???  Or maybe,  they laid the law down to him about the way he acts (has acted) on television and he didn't like it.

His attitude and actions (ie. the tournament where he beat Mika and acted like a REAL ARSE) during the season were more than enough to make a ball company think twice about having someone like him represent them.

Free agency may be his only choice for a while in my opinion...
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did you not hear the whole story with mika? mika is the @$$hat. "if i have to bowl a lefty it will be no problem" PA had every right to celebrate that win the way he did. I probably would have done all that more if the guy i just beat said something like that before hand. I think there needs to be more like PA. If I ever make a tv final I cant wait to see how I act, Ill take a fine or 2 to make it a good show.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2005, 08:20:11 AM »
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By the way Mika left not because of equipment but $$$ incentives.  Mike must love his B equipment since he was quoted in saying that he wasn't striking as much with the new equipment during a interview.  B are good balls but he had a wider variety with the E balls.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2005, 08:57:38 AM »
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Has anyone thought that maybe Hammer didn't want to re-sign PA???  Or maybe,  they laid the law down to him about the way he acts (has acted) on television and he didn't like it.

His attitude and actions (ie. the tournament where he beat Mika and acted like a REAL ARSE) during the season were more than enough to make a ball company think twice about having someone like him represent them.

Free agency may be his only choice for a while in my opinion...
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You will have to be the first one I respond to, and there will be more.

Ummm, have you picked up a BTM or Bowlers Journal lately, and looked at the Hammer ads?   Have you read this thread with the statement that Hammer wants to be the "badass" ball company?    

PA was not released, nor was Hammer upset with PA's actions on TV.


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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2005, 09:02:51 AM »
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obviously he wants to join the nation!!
but more seriously its in my opinion not about the money.  Judging by what I've seen of PA he would rather win a tournament for 40k as opposed to be given 40k and lose the tournament.  Hes probably looking at the company and noticing that Hammer isn't producing the same number of high quality bowling balls as many other companies (B, C300, Storm).  The larger R&D teams would lead to more top notch equipment for him to choose from.



WHAT????   Have you thrown any of Hammers new releases?   And, to think that Hammer isn't as good as the others because they don't produce as many new balls is ludicrous.   Ever heard the saying, "Quality over Quantity"?

Yeah, you're right his record in majors this year wasn't very good.  And, he didn't win much money out there throwing Hammer products!?!?!?  

I just don't understand the logic behind winning over 350,000 and then wanting to change equipment.   Just doesn't add up to me.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2005, 09:06:06 AM »
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By the way Mika left not because of equipment but $$$ incentives.  Mike must love his B equipment since he was quoted in saying that he wasn't striking as much with the new equipment during a interview.  B are good balls but he had a wider variety with the E balls.


Hmm..I tried to post that earlier and was told that I was incorrect.  Funny how 2 people can agree on something like this.  

Mika won POY.  He wanted more $$$, and got it somewhere else- Brunswick.  Looks like it worked out good for him?!?!?!

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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2005, 09:09:00 AM »
just to "defend" my position here...the real deal was given to me by a friend because his style and the way it was drilled did give him the reaction it was looking for...i have never seen pa throw the real deal for that matter...but after some consultation i decided to pick up the ball and have it drilled according to his recommendations with regards to my playing style and now with that ball i feel comfortable taking it out without know what conditions im throwing on and making the necessary adjustments aftewards...
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2005, 09:12:27 AM »
Ultimately, I really don't care what PA does, but I must state that it was nice to see Hammer on TV during all the majors this year.  I must admit it was a great feeling to be associated with that company.  

Funny how a company that has only 2 pros on staff can make TV in all of the Majors, and then people still have the audacity to get on message boards and degrade the manufacturer of that equipment.  

Someday soon people will realize that some of the best equipment on the market right now comes from Hopkinsville, KY.  Good job Brian,Ed, and Ron!    

PA-  Sure hope you can find that Big Blue Pearl reaction, that you loved so well, out there somewhere.   Good luck to you.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2005, 09:13:01 AM »
bideaway it was Jason Jenkins, a hammer staffer, was the one who recommended on how i should have the ball drilled...
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2005, 09:14:17 AM »
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I just don't understand the logic behind winning over 350,000 and then wanting to change equipment.   Just doesn't add up to me.
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Maybe because it's not about the equipment.  PA had a great year because he threw the ball great, not because he had the magical orb in his hand.  No one knows what his true motivations are except for him.

The same goes for Mika, no one knows why he switched companies except for Mika.  Maybe he saw the direction Ebonite was going to head this year with their equipment and decided it didn't look good.  Even if he told you himself his reasons, if they weren't what you think, people still would call him a liar.  The guy that interacts with him on a regular basis said it was one reason, but since everyone that's never met the man thinks he left over money, the guy in the know is either wrong or a liar.
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Re: Patrick Allen not resigning with Hammer...
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2005, 09:35:49 AM »
Rich & Dan-  This is a dead horse, and I am done with it.  
I believe what I believe, and it may not be the truth, but everyone can believe whatever they want.   Just seems odd.  I won't mention $$, Brunswick, and Mika again, I promise.  

Good luck to both Mika and PA next year.   Bowl well.
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