Author Topic: Strong Reactives= Bye Bye Particle for now??? (Read 1349 times)

JPRLane1 · « **on:** October 12, 2004, 12:16:11 PM »

Could it be that all the Companys are trying this strong reactive type of thing without going to particle mainly for the upcoming PBA season and the new "slicker" oil they are starting to use. I really beleive that this is what were seeing. Rule, Ultimate,Total Annihilation,Bully, Big Bully, Thing Lives, V2 strong/R, I could go on. I am guessing at the imput of most companys major staffers they asked for these type of balls. Also a lot of people still give particle balls a bad name. Could this be the next evolution of balls new super strong reactives without any particles? This is just my hypothesis. Discuss and and I would love some of the input from the different ball guru's on here.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #1 on:** October 13, 2004, 12:46:54 AM »

I think that for your higher level bowlers.....PBA especially that high load particles are not needed. A ball that allows very easy coverstock adjustments, and can be used on oil or mediums is an advantage. A guy like Pete Weber does not need a high load particle in order to hook in oil, a guy like Walter Ray MIGHT need more of a ball.

League bowlers that throw the ball very hard and prefer to hook as much as possible are going to use the high load particles more. They have less hand so they need the assistance to get the ball to cover the boards they want it to. League bowlers is where the bowling ball companies make their money so unless they can get a reactive to hook in heavy oil like a particle you will continue to see particle.

It does seem to be a growing trend to make stronger reactives. Only the ball companies themselves along with the designers know where they will be going with the equipment.....the rest of us are only along for the ride.
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TwoFourEightNineNine · « **Reply #2 on:** October 13, 2004, 12:57:10 AM »

Do you guys think the sudden "onslaught" of the extremely agressive reactive bowling balls has to do with the fact that the plasticizer being used is getting more potent or reactive than before?
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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** October 13, 2004, 08:11:34 AM »

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Why doesn't Brunswick come out with a ball like the Ultimate Inferno (or the actual Ultimate Inferno) with a (heavy) particle content so that Brunswick enthusiasts can have something for heavy floods? Damn I wish the Big Bully would have been particle...
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They do and have. It's called the Goliath and it's part of their BVP line-up, along with the Nemesis. Fairly inexpensive. It not only has a heavy load of particles, it also comes 400 grit dull. It should hook on a skating rink.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 13, 2004, 08:21:23 AM »

Wait til the PBA guys get to roll on the new Big B crap. It's going to be very interesting....have heard from test center in Greendale. I predict PBA will eventually move to use something else and Big B won't admit they aren't using their oil.

Scott

scotts33 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 13, 2004, 08:51:39 AM »

Have seen some in use on reg. THS. It's slime. Guys that can average 230-235 on house china now average 200. Instant dry fronts and tight backends don't make for a good scoring condition whether they are PBA stars or house stars. Have seen the slime all the way to the pin deck. Been using it at Bowlero in Milwaukee where I bowled an ABT earlier last month. That's where the Masters will be held end of Oct.

Scott

tenpinspro · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2004, 09:02:39 AM »

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Instant dry fronts and tight backends don't make for a good scoring condition

Hmm, very interesting. This is exactly what I'm seeing on my friday night shot, wonder if they switched. Hey Scott, how long has this stuff been out? Thanks...

Rick

JPRLane1 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2004, 09:11:49 AM »

I have seen the new oil at the regional level and there was a drop off at first expecially for some of the higher speed players but most everyone adjusted after a few times out on it. For some people there was not much difference in there bowling on it they simply scuffed up the surface of some of the balls they had been using on the same pattern with the old oil. So as far as the "Big Boys" on tour go I doubt we will see a problem with the oil. Also take lane machines and other stuff into play, the ones the PBA use are alot nicer than the ones most local houses use with a few exceptions of course.
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.

Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.

scotts33 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 13, 2004, 09:20:26 AM »

Not sure how long but certain houses that are hooked into Big B's pipeline <preferential customers> have been trying since start of fall bowling season.

Greendale has been testing it. This is where I got my info. know a guy that works in the test center. I aslo know some houses that are using it and very good bowlers that are not happy.

Scott

Mitch Cumsteen · « **Reply #9 on:** October 13, 2004, 09:38:13 AM »

scotts, I bowl league at bowlero, and i have noticed this condition, but i have to admit that it is not all that bad for scoring if you can make your shots, the shot is tight but it is there, no more 5 board zone to shoot at.
Maybe it's not a bad thing because it really puts the focus on executing, espescially late in the set.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 13, 2004, 09:49:14 AM »

Mitch--What you are bowling on for league vs. what the ABT bowled on and what the Masters will bowl on are two whole different ball games. I am sure Bowlero has tried to adjust the pattern to give you best house china....at least with what they have. JMO.

Good that you are bowling well.

Scott

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