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Pay Out Night - RANT - FRUSTRATION
« on: May 14, 2009, 04:10:17 AM »
1. We bowled 36 weeks - 4qtrs of 9 weeks. With 4 different quarter winners. So there was a bowl off for final positions of 1-4. They bowed 3 games.

2. The rest of the league bowled sweeper night... of only 2 games (???).

3. On the 35th Week it was announced that everyone owed an additional $20 for sweeper night prize fund as the house was "giving" us the lineage.

4. Everyone has to wait until 1-4 is determined.

5. Everyone has to wait through a league meeting to elect officers for next year.

6. Everyone has to declare if they are returning next year and who the contact was.

7. Finally they pay out - close to 10pm.

8. The secretary was paid, $1620 out of the prize fund. (.25 x 180 x 36). The house uses build in software to do the recap, the house does the banking. The secretary basically counts the money, turns into the desk, keeps up with the envelops (unless it is included in the house software), and turns in award scores (which they got wrong once for me on my 2nd 300 and gave it to my son). So does this sound fair?

We happen to bowl unopposed for our 2 game sweeper and are done in 1 hour or about 7:30. Teams 1 - bowl until about 9:30. So we are waiting 2 hours. Then we are called to the desk and have to go through the meeting for assigning new officers ( and who cares at this point... 90% of the league has been standing around waiting for at least an hour) so someone says "keep it the same" and everone seconds... that took all of 5 minutes... then comes 30 minutes of calling out team names and asking "are you returning next year?" and "who is your team contact and phone number" for 38 teams. Now come on!!!

Next thing, the prize money. ~$21 per point (which includes the 50/50 every week... or so they said.) We paid 20 perweek and got back 356 per person. 38 team and only ~$21 per point??? There was 100 for high average... nothing for anything else... nothing for high series, high game, nothing for team finishings... thats it. And the sweaper paid, 1st and 2nd for Team High Game and Series. Thats it. We won 200 for 2nd Team High game ($40 per person) and we shot 1200 scratch. (Of course during the year we shot 1316 and got nothing for it and shot 3658 scratch and got nothing for it either).

Does any of this seem crazy to anyone else? Or am I seeing things wrong here? I would have much rather paid $12 per night instead of 20 and not got back money because I would have bowled a second league and the house would have made more.



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Re: Pay Out Night - RANT - FRUSTRATION
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2009, 11:35:23 PM »
I think it's pretty STUPID and pointless to elect officers for next season. That is what the league meeting is for for the CURRENT season. It's also unfair for bowlers that were not in that previous league to go into the next season league and have no shot at being an officer.

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Re: Pay Out Night - RANT - FRUSTRATION
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2009, 05:26:38 AM »
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The secretary was paid, $1620 out of the prize fund. (.25 x 180 x 36).


That's CHEAP!!!!!

Our secretary gets .75/wk/bowler and the house does the banking, stats, prints the recaps and standing sheets each week.  She doesn't do awards so.........
and she's considered cheap in our area.  Many are getting $1 - $1.50/wk/bowler.

Can you say "hello tax free income?????"

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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2009, 05:33:21 AM »
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We aren't covered by USBC due to the fact there wasn't an audit done every month like they say you must do!


President's job!!  When you file your protest and it has to be followed to the tee as per USBC rule 115, you take the President down too.

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Therefore we get nothing and the secretary probably is going to jail.


League has to follow up with exactly all the criteria as  demanded by USBC.  If the league drops the ball at any point in the process then there's no pay back.  

Small claims court is always an option up to the limit if needs be.  We had one league get this far and then didnt' show up for the court date.  Court cannot do anything if no one shows up on either side.  In this case over $13000 was involved, so small claims would not have covered all of it.

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Re: Pay Out Night - RANT - FRUSTRATION
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2009, 06:48:04 AM »
I've heard lots of complaints over time about the size of the secretaries take.

My response is generally "Then you run for the job.

They all then say they don't want it.

Those fees are high for around here. But personally I don't want the hassle of collecting the money, filing for awards, auditing, etc.

So I'm more than willing to pay the money to someone who is willing to do so.

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2009, 01:19:02 PM »
I've been bowling more than 35 years and EVERY LEAGUE I have ever bowled in has paid the league secretary an amount per bowler per night for the entire season.

I have to say....if you paid me $3-$5 per bowler, for the entire season, you'd be looking for a new secretary PDQ. Over the years the fees have ranged from about .25 to about .60 per bowler per night for the season. IMO $1,500-$2,000 is fair for someone to manage your league for 9 months.

However, as others have mentioned, if you don't like the fees show up at the meetings. It's the only way anything changes.

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I've never actually heard of the secretary getting paid per bowler per night.  All the leagues I have bowled in here in central Iowa we have a seperate secretary fee usually due by the third week for each bowler.  Most of the time it ranges from $3.00 to $5.00.
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Re: Pay Out Night - RANT - FRUSTRATION
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2009, 01:45:19 PM »
we had first half money handed out during the final week of bowling then, had the meeting for officers, right before practice started and did the roll for teams coming back next year rightr before the lanes came on. After bowling we got out money for the second half (before the championship was decided) and had out banquet that same night everything seemed to work fine.
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Re: Pay Out Night - RANT - FRUSTRATION
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2009, 09:16:16 PM »
Further investigation proved the secretary actually was paid .50 per bowler per night or ~$3100 for counting the envelops, taking the money to the desk and submitting awards. The house did everything else, banking, standing sheets, printing, recaps, supplied the software and hardware for the brackets.

I do not begrudge making money on brackets, but hey, no one else can do it. He has got the monopoly on the brackets because he works there. Its like part of his salary... that's my beef.
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Re: Pay Out Night - RANT - FRUSTRATION
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2009, 10:00:06 PM »
Next year when you attend the beginning of the league meeting you simply state the  duties that are performed by the center and those done by the sec/tres. and put a motion on the floor for a pay cut.  

Though I got to tell ya....  .50 is cheap cheap cheap around here.  You'd not be able to find a secretary for the league at that pay around here.  

Having done the job and done parts of the job at the bequest of the sec. I kept track of my time and worked it out to be about $100/hr wages.  

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Re: Pay Out Night - RANT - FRUSTRATION
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2009, 10:16:21 PM »
Are you willing to be the league Sec.?  If yes, then nominate yourself, if not, STFU
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