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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Metal_rules on January 06, 2015, 01:13:40 PM
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I was told that all balls made for PBA players are different then the ones sold to the general public. Is this true? If so, what are the differences?
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Isn't that illegal? In what way can they get around making the same ball 2 different ways?
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I don't know. I dont see how they could make different balls. I am hoping someone that is on staff, and a PBA member could let us know.
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NOT TRUE!!!!
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Bowling balls used on or in PBA competition have to be available to the public
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I can't imagine that happenning. I am not sure what the gain would be for a ball company to do that?
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There have been plenty of rumors that balls will be made to look like a new release, but are actually something different (core, cover, etc.). Not sure it will ever be truly known to be truth or not. For instance, I have heard rumors that Chris Barnes was not happy with anything currently being offered by C300, so they basically made him some old balls he liked to look like the new releases.
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This topic comes up about once a year. Rico is being politically correct. Nobody believes the real answer.
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I had seen some Ebonite balls back in the day that were for a PBA regional player that had double logos on them compared to the single logo balls available to the public. Obviously being on TV you want the viewers to see the ball being used for potential buyers.
Then you had the several different versions of the Danger Zone back in the day that were known by pin colors as to what the balls cover was. They were available to the public but hard to find. Limited supply maybe.
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Does anyone think it matters? They have more ability (that's why they're out there) and compete on a condition no one else sees unless they're out there competing
Too many make too much in regards to equipment
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Back in the day, say from the early 1980s to mid-1990s, one of the things that separated a Touring I and II PBA member from the rest of the bowling populace was their access to equipment. They also got it at prices (and probably still do) that were much, much cheaper. I remember the first time I got equipment at wholesale was in the mid-1990s, and that was only after a Regional guy told me about the place. Pieces that cost most people $109-$149 back then, I was able to get at $69 to $89.
The other advantage they had back then was knowledge of ball layouts. You rarely saw a "league" bowler back then with any exotic layouts or balance holes of any kind drilled. But you saw a lot of that once you hung around the Touring I and II guys.
I'm glad that the wealth of information out there with the Internet has somewhat leveled the playing field. I know it's helped accelerate my negotiating this learning curve in my return to bowling after being away for 18 years. Otherwise, I couldn't imagine how long it would take me to get a grasp of the changes.
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The difference between touring I and II were tournaments bowled and points
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i remember the year doug kent won the two majors at the begining and end of the season, the second major he won on the show he was using a "no mercy" what he was really using was a blue vibe colored black and stamped like a no mercy because that was their new high performance release
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Back away from your own stash,Cheech !
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Rico,
I was talking in terms the difference in access to equipment, etc. a Regional/National pro had versus "league" bowlers from back in the day.
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What difference does it make? Ever since AMF came out with the Ultra Angle with an upside down Dixie cup weight block that produced track flare, ball manufacturers have been given a free range on bowling balls, except for size and weight
and I wouldn't bet that this might change in the future.
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new here, but i can say that this was rampant years ago.
balls were labeled "ball a, but had ball b core and ball c cover" for example.
they were referred to as "scam balls". anyone who was on tour can attest to that.
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There were balls in the 90's that had tour cores which were more times than not high RG low diff cores
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new here, but i can say that this was rampant years ago.
balls were labeled "ball a, but had ball b core and ball c cover" for example.
they were referred to as "scam balls". anyone who was on tour can attest to that.
WOW!
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Alot if interesting comments on this. I will add. I have'nt seen this,but I was also told that PBA balls come wrapped in a orange bag, where the others are wrapped in a clear bag. If there is no difference, why would they do this? ???
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You guys are making way too big of a deal of this. It goes on. The PBA looks the other way. Do you think the guys on the truck, who drill thousands of balls, can't tell the difference when they drill a ball with a different color pin and it drills differently than the off the shelf ball? They joke about it. These are or were weak balls made to look like current high end balls. I don't know how much it happens these days considering they only bowl for about 6 weeks.
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You guys are making way too big of a deal of this. It goes on. The PBA looks the other way. Do you think the guys on the truck, who drill thousands of balls, can't tell the difference when they drill a ball with a different color pin and it drills differently than the off the shelf ball? They joke about it. These are ore were weak balls made to look like current high end balls. I don't know how much it happens these days considering they only bowl for about 6 weeks.
That's what I thought! ;)
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Been going on for YEARS!
Heard a story once about Dick Weber not liking the fact he kept getting beat by people using a different brand ball, so they bought some dark colored "blanks" from the other company, then put their markings on them to make them appear as his regular ball.
The ball companies have had their hand in the PBA's pocket for a long time, and the PBA is NOT going to bite the hand that feeds it.
Q: Why do you think there is no longer a Mark Roth plastic ball tournament?
A: The ballco's don't want the public to know you can shoot scores with a $50 ball that will last for YEARS!
Remember the golden rule: "He who has the gold, makes the rules".
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I'd love physical evidence. Not because I don't believe it, but because I'm curious about the logistics.
It's very interesting to me.
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Usually different color pins.
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I believe these tour balls created abt a foot more length
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keep in mind that the plastic ball tournaments were to level the playing field, only having 2 identical balls allowable for everyone.
the issues came in, when all manufacturers went nuts manipulating the layouts to make the balls "react".
take a look at the pba plastic ball layouts.
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Pardon the naievity of my question. is this where pro cg and factory second balls come into play?
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NO....you guys are making such a big deal abt nothing...gullibility created 'pro' cgs and tour models...they are bowling balls...it is a way of selling MORE bowling balls
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The Brunswick Danger Zone was one of if not the most prominent "tour edition ball" with like 4 different versions, some more recent ones that i'm aware of is the Brunswick Classic Zone, there was a green and red pin versions, and Dyno-Thane Energy, where there was a low reactive version and could only be differientiated by the serial number of the ball.
Perhaps there are more "special" editions out there based on the serial number/pin color.
I would say it would only make sense for a manufacturer to do this on thier higher end equipment as it should deliver the highest margins.
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Alot if interesting comments on this. I will add. I have'nt seen this,but I was also told that PBA balls come wrapped in a orange bag, where the others are wrapped in a clear bag. If there is no difference, why would they do this? ???
WOW my Hammer Bad Ass came in a orange bag!!
So I guess I got a PBA Ball
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There have been plenty of rumors that balls will be made to look like a new release, but are actually something different (core, cover, etc.). Not sure it will ever be truly known to be truth or not. For instance, I have heard rumors that Chris Barnes was not happy with anything currently being offered by C300, so they basically made him some old balls he liked to look like the new releases.
I believe the same thing was true for Norm Duke many years ago when he was with AMF...He had the Tour Night Hawk...
Now as for Chris not being happy...IMO...It probably had a lot to do with the goofy colors Columbia has had on their HP Balls...
Today the Mad Antics came out...Back to good colors...It's about time... ;D ;)
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JLS...you are right...but at least the Tour Nighthawk was clearly labeled and not thought to be another ball with the same colors, labels, etc but a different pin color, like the DZs, HPDs, Speed Zones, and Combat Zones.
The Tour Nighthawk was nothing other than a Pulse that Norm loved so much.
3835
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Alot if interesting comments on this. I will add. I have'nt seen this,but I was also told that PBA balls come wrapped in a orange bag, where the others are wrapped in a clear bag. If there is no difference, why would they do this? ???
WOW my Hammer Bad Ass came in a orange bag!!
So I guess I got a PBA Ball
Don't hold me to this statement. I was told this. I do not know if it is fact.
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Alot if interesting comments on this. I will add. I have'nt seen this,but I was also told that PBA balls come wrapped in a orange bag, where the others are wrapped in a clear bag. If there is no difference, why would they do this? ???
WOW my Hammer Bad Ass came in a orange bag!!
So I guess I got a PBA Ball
Don't hold me to this statement. I was told this. I do not know if it is fact.
All of hammers bowling balls come in orange bags.
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Alot if interesting comments on this. I will add. I have'nt seen this,but I was also told that PBA balls come wrapped in a orange bag, where the others are wrapped in a clear bag. If there is no difference, why would they do this? ???
WOW my Hammer Bad Ass came in a orange bag!!
So I guess I got a PBA Ball
Don't hold me to this statement. I was told this. I do not know if it is fact.
All of hammers bowling balls come in orange bags.
*Trolling Moment Start*
So all of Hammer's Bowling Balls are PBA Balls!
*Trolling Moment Finish*
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Alot if interesting comments on this. I will add. I have'nt seen this,but I was also told that PBA balls come wrapped in a orange bag, where the others are wrapped in a clear bag. If there is no difference, why would they do this? ???
WOW my Hammer Bad Ass came in a orange bag!!
So I guess I got a PBA Ball
Don't hold me to this statement. I was told this. I do not know if it is fact.
All of hammers bowling balls come in orange bags.
*Trolling Moment Start*
So all of Hammer's Bowling Balls are PBA Balls!
*Trolling Moment Finish*
ok so he was wrong on the color of the ball plastic, which again was suspect ---but NOT about the balls being different!
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Again you guys are making so much controversy over something so not controversial
Most if not all of the 'tour' type balls were ones of lesser reaction similar to the IQ series
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Maybe they are just bored and need something to talk about
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Back away from your own stash,Cheech !
last thing i heard doug has the last 2 known NIB purple vibes at his house....but this was a few years ago.
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I'm pretty sure the PBA balls are rounder than the ones I buy for myself. How else to explain why the pros are more consistent and better than me?? It's not fair, I tell ya.
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Back away from your own stash,Cheech !
last thing i heard doug has the last 2 known NIB purple vibes at his house....but this was a few years ago.
Can't have the last two, as I know where one is.
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Too many come and go from ebay and fb.