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Zanatos1914

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PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« on: December 26, 2012, 03:27:05 PM »
Was scanning YouTube and they keep repeating, " Use a certain ball for certain PBA shots "...  Was just wondering if a ball setup for a pba pattern would have an  advantage in avg house shot?  Also another question - If you are Professional Bowler why do you need so many balls instead of making adjustments with your hand, feet, or etc.... 

 

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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2012, 04:03:09 PM »
Generally speaking, house shots don't require anywhere near the level of precision that is required on PBA patterns. As such, any "normal" drilling layout can get the job done. There really isn't any such thing as a specific layout for PBA patterns. The pros use layouts that they've found work well for their specific styles. Then they match them up with the proper bowling ball surface and ball type in order to give them the reaction they're looking for on whatever oil pattern and lane surface they're competing on. The way your question is worded makes it sound as if there are certain drilling layouts or balls for the PBA patterns, and that's not the case. It's always about matching ball surface, drilling, ball type, and bowler style to the oil pattern and surface being bowled on. As such, a ball drilled for a specific PBA pattern isn't likely to create an advantage on your house shot because even if the characteristics of your house pattern are similar to that of one of the PBA patterns, you still have to factor in your individual characteristics as a bowler. Not all drillings work for all bowlers.

Lastly, pros do make adjustments as opposed to just grabbing different bowling balls, but both moves are required. Today's bowling balls are much more specialized then those of the past. As such, they're treated more like golf clubs. You have certain balls for certain situations. Imagine telling a golfer he or she should just use a 7-iron for all shots in a round. Sure, you could get around the course, but you're not using the ideal tool for the various shots you need to throw. Expecting pro bowlers to use 1 ball for all circumstances is equally unrealistic.

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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2012, 04:06:16 PM »
Well said and phrased, Gene!
(Saves me from formulating a version of that reply. :))
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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 04:30:28 PM »
So - Are you saying the balls that say PBA are just a marketing angle

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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2012, 04:40:35 PM »
So - Are you saying the balls that say PBA are just a marketing angle

Of course!

Think of how many oil patterns are out there and how many different varieties of releases with combinations of rev rate, ball speed, PAP, tilt, rotation, with huge variation in skill level and guess what percentage of bowlers could that one ball well and properly??
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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2012, 10:01:39 PM »
Most pros have a couple of layouts that they really like for their type of delivery, often nothing very exotic.  Look at what they use on the Cheetah pattern for an idea on what they would use on house shots.  Cheetah plays as easy or easier than most house shots for top tier bowlers.

As for adjustments, I dont think many bowlers have any idea the variety of subtle adjustments pros can and do make.  I had the dubious honor of bowling against Mika during his first Masters win.  There were pairs in that tournament that were absolutely great scoring, and others not so good.   Mika came out the first game with a 260 and smoked me by 70 pins.  I was getting a great reaction on one lane but couldnt strike on the other Then he lost his reaction of the left lane just like me.  I was absolutely amazed at the release adjustments he made over the last two games without ever losing the pocket.  I was watching what he was doing closely, because I had the same carry problem from game one that he had the last two.  Neither one of us ever really cut lose the last two games, but he was able to do things I could not have attempted to boost his carry.       
« Last Edit: December 26, 2012, 10:11:30 PM by avabob »

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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2012, 10:07:44 PM »
So - Are you saying the balls that say PBA are just a marketing angle

Other than the ones Elite produced a couple of years ago, what balls specifically mention the PBA?
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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2012, 10:34:28 PM »
So - Are you saying the balls that say PBA are just a marketing angle

Other than the ones Elite produced a couple of years ago, what balls specifically mention the PBA?

He might have also been referring to the "Tour Editions" recently released by Storm. 

Brunswick used to release these back in the day as well.  Often the only distinguishing feature was the color of the pin.

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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2012, 10:40:38 PM »
Ah ok. That makes sense. I've seen a couple of guys trying to use the IQ Tour Pearl on Scorpion and on the Baton Rouge USBC pattern. It's obviously not a ball suited for fresh flat oil in an amateurs hands.
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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2012, 02:45:09 AM »
Some of the EBI tour balls back in the day just had double logos on them. So if you made the TV finials or were bowling else where you would have a LOGO on both sides of the ball. Same ball, just two logos.

Tour edition balls a lot of times end up being a tamer version of the prior release. Brunswick back in the day would have several in a zone series with the different pin colors. Then it would look like the bowler was using that paticular ball on every condition available when it technically wasn't the same ball.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2012, 05:53:36 PM »
Most tour edition balls have tamer cores with moderate shells.  IQ tour is one of the few that has a very low rg, but is offset by having a low diff.  Pros dont like jerky reactions off the end of the pattern, and the tour edition balls help smooth out over reaction without resorting to a super weak drill pattern

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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2012, 06:28:57 PM »
Most tour edition balls have tamer cores with moderate shells.  IQ tour is one of the few that has a very low rg, but is offset by having a low diff.  Pros dont like jerky reactions off the end of the pattern, and the tour edition balls help smooth out over reaction without resorting to a super weak drill pattern

While we're on the subject would someone explain what rg and diff means and what effect they have on ball reaction.

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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2012, 06:47:45 PM »
Too much typing to explain. Look at this link.

http://www.bowlingballinfo.com/faq.cfm?c=v&n=2
« Last Edit: December 27, 2012, 06:49:27 PM by milorafferty »
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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2012, 12:12:25 PM »
Most tour edition balls have tamer cores with moderate shells.  IQ tour is one of the few that has a very low rg, but is offset by having a low diff.  Pros dont like jerky reactions off the end of the pattern, and the tour edition balls help smooth out over reaction without resorting to a super weak drill pattern

Is any other balls out there like your description?

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Re: PBA Drilling On House Shot...
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2012, 12:17:03 PM »
Most tour edition balls have tamer cores with moderate shells.  IQ tour is one of the few that has a very low rg, but is offset by having a low diff.  Pros dont like jerky reactions off the end of the pattern, and the tour edition balls help smooth out over reaction without resorting to a super weak drill pattern

Is any other balls out there like your description?



They were not labeled as "Tour" edition balls, but the Motiv GT1 and Venom are low RG and Low Diff balls.
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