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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Zanatos1914 on December 26, 2012, 03:27:05 PM
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Was scanning YouTube and they keep repeating, " Use a certain ball for certain PBA shots "... Was just wondering if a ball setup for a pba pattern would have an advantage in avg house shot? Also another question - If you are Professional Bowler why do you need so many balls instead of making adjustments with your hand, feet, or etc....
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Generally speaking, house shots don't require anywhere near the level of precision that is required on PBA patterns. As such, any "normal" drilling layout can get the job done. There really isn't any such thing as a specific layout for PBA patterns. The pros use layouts that they've found work well for their specific styles. Then they match them up with the proper bowling ball surface and ball type in order to give them the reaction they're looking for on whatever oil pattern and lane surface they're competing on. The way your question is worded makes it sound as if there are certain drilling layouts or balls for the PBA patterns, and that's not the case. It's always about matching ball surface, drilling, ball type, and bowler style to the oil pattern and surface being bowled on. As such, a ball drilled for a specific PBA pattern isn't likely to create an advantage on your house shot because even if the characteristics of your house pattern are similar to that of one of the PBA patterns, you still have to factor in your individual characteristics as a bowler. Not all drillings work for all bowlers.
Lastly, pros do make adjustments as opposed to just grabbing different bowling balls, but both moves are required. Today's bowling balls are much more specialized then those of the past. As such, they're treated more like golf clubs. You have certain balls for certain situations. Imagine telling a golfer he or she should just use a 7-iron for all shots in a round. Sure, you could get around the course, but you're not using the ideal tool for the various shots you need to throw. Expecting pro bowlers to use 1 ball for all circumstances is equally unrealistic.
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Well said and phrased, Gene!
(Saves me from formulating a version of that reply. :))
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So - Are you saying the balls that say PBA are just a marketing angle
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So - Are you saying the balls that say PBA are just a marketing angle
Of course!
Think of how many oil patterns are out there and how many different varieties of releases with combinations of rev rate, ball speed, PAP, tilt, rotation, with huge variation in skill level and guess what percentage of bowlers could that one ball well and properly??
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Most pros have a couple of layouts that they really like for their type of delivery, often nothing very exotic. Look at what they use on the Cheetah pattern for an idea on what they would use on house shots. Cheetah plays as easy or easier than most house shots for top tier bowlers.
As for adjustments, I dont think many bowlers have any idea the variety of subtle adjustments pros can and do make. I had the dubious honor of bowling against Mika during his first Masters win. There were pairs in that tournament that were absolutely great scoring, and others not so good. Mika came out the first game with a 260 and smoked me by 70 pins. I was getting a great reaction on one lane but couldnt strike on the other Then he lost his reaction of the left lane just like me. I was absolutely amazed at the release adjustments he made over the last two games without ever losing the pocket. I was watching what he was doing closely, because I had the same carry problem from game one that he had the last two. Neither one of us ever really cut lose the last two games, but he was able to do things I could not have attempted to boost his carry.
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So - Are you saying the balls that say PBA are just a marketing angle
Other than the ones Elite produced a couple of years ago, what balls specifically mention the PBA?
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So - Are you saying the balls that say PBA are just a marketing angle
Other than the ones Elite produced a couple of years ago, what balls specifically mention the PBA?
He might have also been referring to the "Tour Editions" recently released by Storm.
Brunswick used to release these back in the day as well. Often the only distinguishing feature was the color of the pin.
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Ah ok. That makes sense. I've seen a couple of guys trying to use the IQ Tour Pearl on Scorpion and on the Baton Rouge USBC pattern. It's obviously not a ball suited for fresh flat oil in an amateurs hands.
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Some of the EBI tour balls back in the day just had double logos on them. So if you made the TV finials or were bowling else where you would have a LOGO on both sides of the ball. Same ball, just two logos.
Tour edition balls a lot of times end up being a tamer version of the prior release. Brunswick back in the day would have several in a zone series with the different pin colors. Then it would look like the bowler was using that paticular ball on every condition available when it technically wasn't the same ball.
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Most tour edition balls have tamer cores with moderate shells. IQ tour is one of the few that has a very low rg, but is offset by having a low diff. Pros dont like jerky reactions off the end of the pattern, and the tour edition balls help smooth out over reaction without resorting to a super weak drill pattern
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Most tour edition balls have tamer cores with moderate shells. IQ tour is one of the few that has a very low rg, but is offset by having a low diff. Pros dont like jerky reactions off the end of the pattern, and the tour edition balls help smooth out over reaction without resorting to a super weak drill pattern
While we're on the subject would someone explain what rg and diff means and what effect they have on ball reaction.
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Too much typing to explain. Look at this link.
http://www.bowlingballinfo.com/faq.cfm?c=v&n=2 (http://www.bowlingballinfo.com/faq.cfm?c=v&n=2)
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Most tour edition balls have tamer cores with moderate shells. IQ tour is one of the few that has a very low rg, but is offset by having a low diff. Pros dont like jerky reactions off the end of the pattern, and the tour edition balls help smooth out over reaction without resorting to a super weak drill pattern
Is any other balls out there like your description?
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Most tour edition balls have tamer cores with moderate shells. IQ tour is one of the few that has a very low rg, but is offset by having a low diff. Pros dont like jerky reactions off the end of the pattern, and the tour edition balls help smooth out over reaction without resorting to a super weak drill pattern
Is any other balls out there like your description?
They were not labeled as "Tour" edition balls, but the Motiv GT1 and Venom are low RG and Low Diff balls.
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There are several balls with low diffs. Slingshot, Avalanche, Tropical series from Storm, ect. The Low Diff effects the amount of flare the ball has. On drier conditions you will want something with a higher Rg, and lower Diff to get the ball down lane and hopefully hook less.
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Lots of lower diff balls out there, but most have medium to high rg. IQ Tour and the old Tour Power from about 10 years ago are a couple with low rg, low diff. Not many more I can think of.
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Arson Low Flare
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Arson Low Flare
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https://sites.google.com/site/neweraproshopbowling/bolas/hammer/arsonlowflare
Future release from Hammer. Lower differential, but not low RG.
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2.48 in 15 is a low rg in my eyes
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2.48 in 15 is a low rg in my eyes
Whoops... I was reading the chart and missed the weights. I'm accustomed to seeing 16 lbs. at the top of the list, not 10 lbs. Silly Puerto Ricans...
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In answer to the original poster.
PBA drillings versus House shot drillings. I understand the question.
Let's start out that most/many house shots have deep crowns and dry to the outside. Ratios of 10(deepest oil in the middle) to 1 shallowest oil occur frequently. These shots create a trough or chute to the pocket for the high rev player where if he has enough revs and a strong ball and drilling he can put his feet deep and fire the initial path of the ball somewhere the middle of the deepest part of the oil out to the dry and create tremendous area to hold the pocket. He can even pull the ball and still make a pth to the pocket.
On this type of pattern strong balls and strong drillings work best for the speed dominate player.
On the pro tour ratios are much less, volumes are much lighter, and outside towards the gutters is often a very slick out of bounds area. The player is often operating in a very confined area to create total swing area and hit to the pocket.
While many players have great versatility, everyone has an A game. Some it is more revs, others it is more speed, others it is up the back others it is around the side for a few variations.
To play on some of the very confined shots of the PBA tour one often has to minimize total hook by combining special drillings with their particular release tendancies. It doesn't make sense to tweak on's release but use a drilling that forces one to cover too many boards of hook than is ideal for the pattern. While others are using the best drilling to fit their ball path into the pattern for the maximum results.
On the converse I have an acquaintance who was tearing it up in league for awhile, up near 240. Decided he wanted to try some regionals and got rid of his strongly drilled balls for the left side. Went to all drillings that were designed for the lighter volumes of the pro tours.
Goodbye to his 240 average and multiple 800s. Now 220 average at home and a 740 at home are an outstanding accomplishment for him.
Everything counts.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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I didnt think PBA used very aggressive drills but played a tighter lines and more accurrate than most league bowlers.... I find it interesting watching them swing the ball out on the edge and the ball comes back into the packet... Tried that during pba experience and nothing outside of 5 would hold....Had to play backend of the lanes.... I have no idea how they can make the ball return from that deep...