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Frederick

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PBA Pattern Leagues
« on: April 24, 2008, 01:14:59 PM »
Do the PBA Pattern leagues really give us bowlers a taste of what the pros actually bowl on? I was thinking about this the other day and I don't think they do. I actually think there harder and heres why. The lane machines the PBA uses to put down the patterns are a lot better than the ones were going to find in our local bowling center (for the most part) Secondly, the pros know how to bowl on these patterns which means the pattern will break down the way its suppose to and after 4 or 5 games the shot becomes quite easy for them which is why you see a lot pros averaging 230, 240 at this point. Now you take a bunch of non pros and put them on a PBA Pattern with less units of oil (because I highly doubt the center is going to put out as much oil as the PBA does)and you will see mass confusion, people playing the lanes totally wrong which will cause the shot to break down differently than its suppose to which in turn makes it much harder. So my point is this. PBA Leagues don't really give us non pros a taste of what they really bowl on. Of course this is just my opinion, I could be wrong. What do you all think about this?    


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Frederick

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Re: PBA Pattern Leagues
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2008, 01:43:17 PM »
No one  has a comment on this? Am I right or wrong about this? Anybody..

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Re: PBA Pattern Leagues
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2008, 01:52:56 PM »
Okay, I could go on for a day about this...but here is my perspective on this.  I bowled in a PBA league last year so this was my experience.  4 out of the 5 patterns played the same, right down 5.  Shark was the only exception, had to play a little farther inside.  But, I really don't think they give a good taste as to what the pros face because most cheetah patterns and viper patterns that houses modify and put out have a lot of oil along the gutter when on the real pattern that is not the case.  On the real pattern you can play straight down 1-2 and it will work pretty well with the right ball and hand. On my house's patterns on both I was forced to play between 4-6 to get a good angle.  So, in my opinion I think you are right hockeynut.
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Re: PBA Pattern Leagues
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2008, 01:54:04 PM »
I would have to bowl on an actual PBA shot to know, and I've never bowled in a PBA tournament, so I don't.

The theory has merit, though. I bowled on PBAX one year against a team that -- no kidding -- was throwing plastic straight up the middle. They did it all year. What that team was doing on a PBAX league, I have no idea. But the lanes did transition differently that week than usual.

On the flip side, I wonder about the oil volume question, whether it's really that much higher on tour than in PBAX. If it is, it would certainly be tougher on tour, at least until late in a block.

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se7en

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Re: PBA Pattern Leagues
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2008, 02:16:24 PM »
I agree with you. Our lane man sat down with us each week and handed out documents on the pattern of that week and went into technical detail about it.

He said the same thing you did basically; the machine wont put down the patterns to the specs the PBA does and told everyone that they would play harder and not to get too discouraged.
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Re: PBA Pattern Leagues
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2008, 02:28:10 PM »
Not here at our lanes, they use the same exact oiling machine (kegal i think) with the same oil type and the lanes are AMF syn.

They said these are the real deal and they measure the oil and said it has to be in spec range with USBC. Now USBC is not the PBA but Im sure they get them as close as possible. I know the lanes all play the way the pros play them and none of them plays the same.
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Re: PBA Pattern Leagues
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 02:34:55 PM »
Our oil guy was a former PBA Bowler and he gave us the layout every week explaining how it varied from the actual shot.  The challenge was great and I will do it again.  It may not be 100% representative of the PBA shots, but they very from bowling center to bowling center as well.  Many factors effect the way an oil pattern is put down and breaks down.  Weather, lane type, humidity....etc.
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Re: PBA Pattern Leagues
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 02:36:26 PM »
I enjoy the challenge of the pba league and am bowling one again this year. While I dont think the patterns are exactly what the pba uses it is still a tougher shot and not the normal house shot. I found that in the pba league last year the patterns were not consistent week to week cheetah one week played out to 1 board next week maybe 10 board. I bowled a few regionals last year and found that the true pba patterns are much more consistent off the spot. You throw it good and you will be close in my pba league sometimes the ball would not do the same thing twice. It does give you a good chance to work on spares. No matter how you look at it you will definetely gain experience but realisticly its not the same as the pros bowl on and nicholas every house including usbc says these are the same shot but trust me they are not

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Re: PBA Pattern Leagues
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2008, 02:41:15 PM »
The theory behind it is good. And no people wont play the lanes correctly becuase most of them are THS bowlers who play the same part of the lane every time. You have to take out of the shot what you can. Make correct ball line and speed changes and improve you game and who cares about anyone else. It also doesnt help watching on tv where they have a half hour to an hr practice on the lanes before you start. they get a chance to burn in a line instead of the 10-15 minutes you get befor league. When it comes down to it, its all about you bowling and if you learned and practiced at it then you will get more out of it that can help you for future shots.
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Re: PBA Pattern Leagues
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2008, 02:57:31 PM »
badnuzjr

I think we bowled the same league last year...Did you bowl at Plaza Lanes?

The patterns didn't play right last summer.  They had an old, unreliable wick machine.

Some of point leaders from the Midwest Region averaged under 200 and they are both over 210 on tour.

This year the center has upgraded to an Authority 22 oil machine, so the patterns should be more realistic.

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2008, 03:35:32 PM »
I bowled a PBAX last summer,  Brunswick Zone with a brandy new oil machine (don't know brand), wood lanes with Guardian heads.  Each pattern played very differently for us, and lane surfaces played a huge difference.  Chameleon was very up the boards on the outside until they broke down and slowly migrated right.  Cheetah was VERY fast and too ahrd for me with my lower ball speed.  The outside was basically a spring board for hook.  Scorpion was THICK, had to play closer to the pocket and I ended up playing straight up 10/11/12.  Shark I ended up angling the ball like what, so so heavy.  Viper was just fun, with lots of room for error.  I found it to be very fun, and consistent week to week.  Great challenge, and really makes you hanker on spares.  Definitely a great experience.
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Re: PBA Pattern Leagues
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2008, 03:50:46 PM »
the difference it the two is the pba don't have to have anyone approve the shots they lay out so they don't have to abide by the usbc sport requirements that why the exp. are so much different from the real pba shot i bowled a regional then the next week bowl a exp league on the same pattern that was approved by the usbc and the difference was 9 to 10 boards different on the shark pattern i had to throw a cherry vibe and stand in vs. the regional i was throwing a secret agent and a special agent with a real tight line to the pocket. having thrown a couple regionals and a season on a exp league there is not real comparison. they are harder then a house pattern but not what the pros bowl on since the usbc has a min. and a max. on the number of units the way the lanes have to be set up. the fact that the usbc touts play on the same exact shot as the pros is really B.S.