Author Topic: Righty leaving more 7's than 10's (Read 1929 times)

kalannar · « **on:** March 01, 2004, 07:53:19 PM »

What is the cause of leaving 7 pins for righties? Most of the time when I leave one I get a messenger (looks like the head pin) that flies right in front of it or it comes off the wall and takes out the 4 as it is going towards the 7. My guess is that I am coming in at to much of an angle and a little behind the head pin. Is this the case or am I missing something here. I have been leaving 10's to 7' at a 1:2 ratio lately. Most of my tens are poor releases where I come around the side and I know I am going to leave one as soon as I release it But the seven pins look good until that messenger goes by. Any and all advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Kalannar
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That which does not kill us strengthens us.

So do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

kalannar · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2004, 11:10:17 AM »

Thanks Bones.

That describes one of the cases where the Head pin comes off the wall and into the four pin. But, how about the other case where the head pin looks like superman flying by it? To me it looks like the head pin clips the 2 very lightly in front and then goes straight to the side wall and back in front of the 7, all in the air. This is the one that I seem to leave the most. It kind of reminds me of trying to pick up a washout from the pocket side of the head pin where you hit it lightly on the right and send into the wall and back across the deck to take out the four and ten.

So in your description of coming in high, would that be a precursor of a four pin or does this come after a four pin and I haven't moved yet?

Thanks,
Kalannar
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That which does not kill us strengthens us.

So do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

Unless of course you are armed with a bomb. A Black Cherry Bomb that is.

kendog · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2004, 11:27:44 AM »

bones, it seems to me that I leave more sevens when I come in behind the head also. If I'm high on the head, I tend to leave a 4 or 4-9, occasionally with a 7 added. I count on the 2 pin taking out the 4-7 either off the wall for the 7 or the 9 coming off the ball to cover the seven.

The reason I leave sevens on a shot coming in at a steep angle but late and behind the head, is that the two gets clipped high and driven straight back towards the nine and the head goes off the wall to far forward to catch anything in the back row. I also can leave tens on this type of miss, but this is generally more of a flatter angle coming in where the ball gets either too much of the three and drives it too straight back or a little higher on the head and a weak angle/rotation and weak 6 can't get out of the ditch.
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kendog

avoids spare shooting at all costs
just throw strikes

jjweb · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2004, 11:31:56 AM »

What about on light hits? I seem to have the problem of leaving 7's (right handed).
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kendog · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2004, 11:50:10 AM »

jjweb, when I say the ball comes in behind the head pin, that could be considered a light hit. reason is, the ball just doesn't get as much of the head pin.
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kendog

avoids spare shooting at all costs
just throw strikes

LadyW · « **Reply #5 on:** March 02, 2004, 12:04:21 PM »

In the house I bowl in a pattern seems to form as to whether more 7's or 10's are being left by the right handed bowlers.

What role is the oil pattern and condition of the backends playing in attributing to these leaves?

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LadyW....(aka Wannabe)

kalannar · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2004, 12:15:41 PM »

Thanks again Bones.

I will watch more closely to see where on the head pin the ball hits and what the pins are doing. Like you said , the ball may actually be coming up high but I am figuring it was coming up light because I sent it a little wide with a few extra revs to compensate. I will watch the ball a little closer tonight and see what I can find out. Last night in practice, I left 4 7 pins and only one ten pin.

So, if I move left like I normally do to get rid of the 4, this should take care of the problem with the 7 too, correct?

Kalannar
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That which does not kill us strengthens us.

So do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

Unless of course you are armed with a bomb. A Black Cherry Bomb that is.

LadyW · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2004, 12:23:25 PM »

Sawbones -

I've been told that our oil patterns are slightly longer than most typical house
shots and the backends are not stripped clean. So we seem to have to deal with oil push to the back. I bowl on synthetics.
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LadyW....(aka Wannabe)

jjweb · « **Reply #8 on:** March 02, 2004, 12:26:41 PM »

When I start leaving too many 10's going flush/high flush, I compensate with a little more speed and angle. I guess I'll watch a little more closely to see why I keep leaving them.
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Josh

When in doubt, go buy Dyno-Thane.

jjweb · « **Reply #9 on:** March 02, 2004, 12:38:46 PM »

How much do you think speed plays a factor in leaving stone 7's?
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Josh

When in doubt, go buy Dyno-Thane.

LadyW · « **Reply #10 on:** March 02, 2004, 12:50:12 PM »

Sawbones -

I may have given you the wrong impression. The oil machine is stripping the backends but not as clean as it should be. Last year we had a lot more backend reaction. My house still has quite a few high scores but they are definitely down in comparison to last year.

You are absolutely right about rolling the ball. When I slow down a little and get the ball to roll well the reaction is quite good. If I get a little agressive and turn it the ball fades and I leave the bucket. Since I've left it so often I've actually pretty much mastered that shot.

I was practicing a couple of weeks ago in another house on their fresh oil shot.
The difference in the back was quite amazing. The ball was smashing the pocket iin comparison.
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LadyW....(aka Wannabe)

Edited on 3/2/2004 1:46 PM

kalannar · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2004, 08:34:07 AM »

Bones,

You were correct on coming in high. (bows his head humbly) I watched the ball more carefully and could see it hitting high on the head pin. It was just an optical illusion that it was coming in late. Every time that I left one was when I would miss my mark right and it still made it back to the pocket. I would feel that I was swinging it to much and add a few revs. I left four 7's last night. Everyone of them I missed my breakpoint by 2 boards to the right.

Thanks for the info Bones.

Kalannar
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That which does not kill us strengthens us.

So do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

Unless of course you are armed with a bomb. A Black Cherry Bomb that is.

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