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stpwned

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Too much elbow
« on: August 02, 2008, 09:27:57 AM »
I was just wanting to get some peoples opinions on how I throw the ball. I am a left handed bowler with lots of roll, much of which comes from a nasty elbow habit I have. I throw the ball well, have good roll, and a very solid ending to my approach...but I have a very unorthodox elbow movement. I have been bowling this way for about 10 years (I'm 23 now) and I'm sure that 20 years from now I won't be able to handle bowling that way anymore. I have had numerous coaches, some that tried to work with me to get rid of it, and some that said it's not a problem because everyone a different approach. I am a 230 average bowler, and have the peculiar arm swing down to the point where it may cause me to tug 1 ball a game worst case scenario. So where this gets interesting is the fact that I've recently become a pro shop operator. Does it seem wrong for someone to be charging for bowling lessons if they have a very unique, against the norm style of bowling? It has never been much of a concern to me, I feel that I don't need to change it for now because I have learned to cope with it, and it doesn't really cause me inconsistencies. It just seems strange that I tell people how to bowl "right", and don't do it myself. I'd like to get some of your guys' thoughts on the situation. Fire away.
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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2008, 05:37:58 PM »
I'd say as long as you are helping the people that come to you for coaching, why should it matter how YOU bowl
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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2008, 06:03:53 PM »
As a coach, I have done that many times. I have serious late timing issues yet I feel I'm pretty darn good at coaching late timing. Some can talk it better than they can walk it.
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stpwned

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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2008, 06:15:52 PM »
That makes me feel better. I feel that I am very good at diagnosing others peoples games and giving them solid advice.
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As a coach, I have done that many times. I have serious late timing issues yet I feel I'm pretty darn good at coaching late timing. Some can talk it better than they can walk it.
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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2008, 07:05:44 PM »
Your style should have no bearing on how you coach, for better or for worse.  It's one of the hardest aspects of coaching ignoring your own style and tendencies to help someone else.

Same thing with drilling.  Customers ask me all the time what my average is and they don't usually like my response, that "I'm here to drill and not to bowl."   There is a point you can reach though where you need to have some basic skills of bowling in order to drill.  

A high average does not equal a competent driller, the same is true for a coach.

A textbook approach is not neccessary for a good coach.


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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2008, 02:39:39 AM »
Think of it this way, if we could all bowl the same as our coaching ability levels, the the college coaches who produce these top PBA players would dominate the PBA...


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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2008, 02:44:36 AM »
"Some people can't read the sign that says "toilet". Doesn't mean they don't know how to use it."
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scadreau

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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2008, 01:10:31 AM »
I don't know if you watch golf at all but...

Jack Nicklaus has a very odd putting stroke but I would take a lesson from him on putting any day and twice on Sundays.

Great coaches just need to be able to see how someone does something and show that person how to do it better within their physical (and mental) abilities.
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stpwned

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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2008, 01:57:12 AM »
Thanks guys, all the feedback heas been great. How do you feel about giving lessons to a young two handed bowler? I have no experience two handing myself, and haven't seen enough good two handed bowlers around to know exactly how a perfect approach would look/work.
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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2008, 10:47:30 AM »
there are coaching seminars that have information about the two-handed style, so you might want to make sure you can attend quite a few seminars.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2008, 11:10:38 AM »
perfect approach for a two handed bowler looks "funny" to all one handed bowlers.  The ball looks very powerful on the lanes and creates lots of area!

Almost impossible to be out of time (more connected?).

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PS is your elbow bent like Earl Anthony's?  Not a bad way to go if so!
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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2008, 01:15:11 PM »
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Does it seem wrong for someone to be charging for bowling lessons if they have a very unique, against the norm style of bowling?


Your bowling style and ability have absolutely nothing to do with your coaching style and ability.

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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2008, 01:27:57 PM »
Perfect examples are Dave Duncan, former average at best big league catcher, but is a very good pitching coach.  And Tony Larussa, former utility infielder, very good manager.  I'm not a Cardinal fan btw, LOL, just an observer.  Also, I can pick some stuff up that I see fellow bowlers are not doing &/or doing wrong (for their game), even though I am far from the talent level that they are.  

Jason Belmonte is probably the best 2 handed bowler that I've seen.  He's probably on enough youtube posts to get some idea of what he does to be successful to help your new student until you can get to those seminars.  Good luck.
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Re: Too much elbow
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2008, 03:20:09 PM »
Hmmm I would not mind getting pointers from Don Carter or Earl Anthony. Not to mention Pete Weber... because remember Pete was the first to display that HIGH backswing with open shoulders... he was unique in his time.

No... many good coaches know the game but cant bowl (well)... take John Jowdy and Fred Borden.
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