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JJM

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Pbax Leagues
« on: April 17, 2010, 06:05:39 AM »
I have a couple of questions for those who bowl or have bowled on Pbax leagues.
Did you like it?
Did you hate it?
Would you recommend trying it?
Was it more expensive?
Can you get away with 2 decent balls (making adjustments) or 4+ arsenal necessary?

Typically bowl 2 different THS leagues in the winter.

Have only subbed twice (Pbax) in the last 2 years, and have been asked to join league (summer), just not sure if it is for me...heard good and bad about it.

What do you guys think?

 

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Re: Pbax Leagues
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2010, 03:51:47 PM »
Have bowled PBAX the past 3-4 seasons.  I like it however it can be quite frustrating.  I have gotten worse on them each year but some of that is due to age and health.  I recommend it to help improve your overall game.  You may be able to get by with 2 balls if you are good at making hand, speed, and lane adjustments but many people have arsonals for the PBAX.  Give it a try and good luck and good bowling.  League fees will vary but it will cost you $15.00 for a sport bowling sanction.

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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2010, 04:25:30 PM »
I enjoy them.  They make you think about how the lanes want to be played, not just how to feed the ball to the 5-7 board on a THS.  I've paid $18 for 3 games and $20 for 4 games, and $15 for 3 in an unsanctioned league.  If you're sure an unsanctioned one treat the league seriously (double strips, runs the actual pattern), it can be fine.  If they don't bother and just run the pattern over the house shot, don't waste your time.  I think it costs a fee to run and send the lane tapes, so the PBA leagues tend to be a few dollars more.

I think tweeners tend to be more equipment dependent.  Strokers are better at playing the lanes straight and power players can get the ball to recover better on the longer patterns.  I'm about 300 rpm and likes some surface on everything (2000 abralon was my sweet spot, changing equipment when necessary).  I pretty much used one ball on Scorpion/Shark, and one or two different ones on the other three.  Give one a shot for an entire season and see how you do.
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Re: Pbax Leagues
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2010, 04:59:48 PM »
If you like a challenge and don't think your ego will be hurt by the lower scoring and need for better shot-making, I say go for it.  Normally, though, I would not recommend it for anyone that doesn't average 200+ on THS.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2010, 05:12:53 PM »
I have bowled a PBAx leauge 3 times. I at 1st enjoyed the new lane conditions then started to hate it because it got very frustrating. This was another kind of mental attitude then, now I have a new way of thinking about it all.

I would recommend it to anyone who is 100% serious about getting better. If you don't put anything into this you won't get anything back. You are forced to make quality shots, you are forced to play outside of your confort level, and you are forced to learn which adjustment is neccessary.

You might beable to be successful with 3 balls, solid, pearl, urethane. You would be even more setup with 6 having a ball with a different surface and layout from 1 another.

Leauge costs here range from $10/wk with free practice to $15/wk with a small prize fund after 15 weeks.
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Re: Pbax Leagues
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2010, 05:21:16 PM »
I think it all depends on you and the center.  I have bowled in one for the past 3 years, same center.  What I have seen is 3 years of different patterns, which all were taped and approved by USBC.

1st year was exciting but after a while, I felt that it was more of an equipment league than anything else.  Regardless of your hand position or speed, you will not be competitive unless you have the right equipment.  Now, I am not saying you will bowl terrible although you could, but you will lose to the guys who have matched up better than you.  I bowled in a scratch match play league.  I needed different balls for each of the patterns.

Back to the oil patterns.  My center did not clean the oil machine on a regular basis.  What we got was inconsistent backends.  Some weeks the ball made a move and for most of the weeks the backend did not exist, regardless of the pattern. (thats why the tape was always within USBC specs, the tape was done, I think, at the 20 and 40 ft areas).  2 of the guys on my team bowled in the PBA qualifying rounds with the Shark on one side and the Chettah on the other.  They both said the backends were really strong, much stronger than what we were bowling on in the PBAx league.

Regardless of your equipment, it is a challenge and you should at least try it for one year.

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2010, 06:56:09 PM »
you might hate it if you avg 210+ on a house and when you do PBAx drop 20-30pins. in my area there''''s many that don''''t like it because its so hard. everyone wants to bowl 200s. there''''s a couple of people that are 230 on the house and & less than 200 on the PBAx (same house) in my league. if you want to practice on accuracy then do the PBAx, you only could be off by a few boards and your ball won''''t react the same as on a THS

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Re: Pbax Leagues
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2010, 08:10:21 PM »
quote:
I have a couple of questions for those who bowl or have bowled on Pbax leagues.
Did you like it?
Did you hate it?
Would you recommend trying it?
Was it more expensive?
Can you get away with 2 decent balls (making adjustments) or 4+ arsenal necessary?

Typically bowl 2 different THS leagues in the winter.

Have only subbed twice (Pbax) in the last 2 years, and have been asked to join league (summer), just not sure if it is for me...heard good and bad about it.

What do you guys think?


Did I like it? Absolutely.
Did I hate it? Never.
Would you recommend trying it? You bet.
Was it more expensive? No.

Can you get away with 2 decent balls? Here's the big question, and the answer is definitely not, at least not if you want to score. If you're seriously gunning for the best average you can muster, you're going to have to have 4-6 balls minimum or you're going to have to do some serious surface editing between weeks when the pattern changes.

If you can post a great average on PBAX with a 2-ball arsenal (especially if you're not making a lot of surface changes week-to-week), I submit your house isn't really putting down PBAX patterns. The only other explanation is that you need to be bowling on them for a living because you're already good enough.

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2010, 08:31:35 PM »
I mean, honestly how could you not like it?  Don't you get bored with shooting on a THS?  I know I do.  I went and bowled on the USBC Open Pattern last week, and it was great.  I was forced to make shots within 2 boards and that was nuts!

It made me concentrate so much more, and I was very pleased with my results.  The same house is having a PBAX league in the Summer and you can bet I'll be there.

All I'm ever going to be is a house bowler, but at least I can get a look at some other patterns that might help me learn how to score better in a tournament setting if I see these or patterns like these down the road.

I don't see how bowling on something harder, no matter what the outcome, could be a bad thing.  It's all about experience.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2010, 09:12:05 PM »
Definitely enjoy it.  Back home in Detroit, they really didn't have any full fall/winter season PBAx leagues, but they had a few good ones in the summer.  I have since moved to the DC area, and there are a couple that run year round, one of which I am in currently.  I find it much more worth my time, and plus I used to get REALLY bored bowling on the same walled up THS every week.  Plus the guys who average 230 and have inflated egos started to annoy me.  I knew I could beat them on anything difficult, but in their world they only knew to throw it right with lots of speed and revs, which made them amazing in their own minds.  On a PBAx league, you learn to be versatile and overall just become a better bowler.  So overall, if you are serious about your game, join a PBAx league.  It will be frustrating at times, but its much better than bowling on the same exact pattern week after week and not really getting much out of it.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2010, 09:12:19 PM »
I bowled one Sport league and one PBAX league, both summers.  The Sport league was trios, the PBAX league was doubles.  I enjoyed both.  I can't say that either really improved my shotmaking, I'm not that good anyway.  But I did learn to appreciate how much the lane conditions affect scoring and how one plays.  The PBAX league didn't help me learn to play inside or make more spares, but more served to open my eyes to the invisible aspect of bowling.

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Re: Pbax Leagues
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2010, 09:37:08 PM »
what do you guys find is the toughest pattern on the sport / pbax patterns
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Re: Pbax Leagues
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2010, 09:52:58 PM »
For me I did horrible on Viper and Scorpion and my best pattern was surprisingly the Shark.

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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2010, 09:57:41 PM »
yea  shark and chameleon work for me , I suck On everything else.. First sport league this summer.. Kind of excited , just hoping I can hold a 180 avg.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2010, 10:11:57 PM »
Kegal Boardwalk, toughest short oil i ever played.Love to bowl in a pbax cant get enough egos to check it at the door to start a league.The part i like is that its hard for everyone.