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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2015, 02:59:54 PM »
And this was the response I was waiting for. A 5 in pin pap Asymm is stronger than the same on a symm. It would just be cool if bias wasn't shown.

And Gunner, I established earlier that a Hybrid Guru is coming.

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2015, 03:01:49 PM »
Who said the next Guru was a hybrid?

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2015, 03:13:19 PM »
Sorry I must have missed it in the comments...

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2015, 03:35:19 PM »
Brunswick brand covers absorb oil a lot slower than other companies/brands do, so that's not too surprising. 


Another interesting contrast I found was how the respective covers absorbed oil during play. I used the Guru for most of the first 5 games, wiping the ball down between each shot. Given how heavy the oil was, I was surprised how little of an oil shine developed. On the other hand, the Marvel-S developed more of a shine than the Guru after just two games.

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2015, 04:07:00 PM »
Who said the next Guru was a hybrid?
are you denying it?

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2015, 05:24:08 PM »
yes.

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2015, 05:26:23 PM »
Guess we will see.

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2015, 05:33:48 PM »
Great video first off.  I really like this style of comparison.  I do appreciate these. 

However.  Until I see guru versus hyper cell or something high end with NRG on it, I am going to have to assume the guru is weaker than the 2. No realizes that the zero and crux have storms weaker cover, ERG...because NRG was too strong for most (as was r3x). 

Bill, I too would like to see the Hyper Cell thrown into the video mix. It would put some of these suggestions that the comparison balls are being cherry picked to rest.
 
Still, there is non-video evidence that says the Guru isn't being overhyped. BJI's November 2014 review of the Guru says it provides more hook than any ball they've reviewed to date. That's a pretty out-in-front statement for a major bowling magazine to make. 
 
My direct experience with Guru vs. a NRG coverstock ball was in an 8-gamer on the PBA 50' Don Carter pattern. The pattern started very tight, and the Guru was the only ball I had that would transition from the oil with enough teeth to give me a good angle of entry to the pocket.
 
When the heads/mids started to go and I needed to ball down, I went to my NRG cover Marvel-S. The Marvel-S was the right choice after the transition, but gave me a little too much skid on the fresh during practice. It was OK, but clearly not as strong as the Guru. Maybe the core in the Hyper would have made a significant difference, but the NRG cover by itself wasn't enough.
 
Another interesting contrast I found was how the respective covers absorbed oil during play. I used the Guru for most of the first 5 games, wiping the ball down between each shot. Given how heavy the oil was, I was surprised how little of an oil shine developed. On the other hand, the Marvel-S developed more of a shine than the Guru after just two games.
 
In any case, keep the videos coming. It's refreshing to see a company willing to head-to-head.

Maybe it was because you were comparing a rolly core with a strong cover making it appear not as strong.  Heck, I wasn't a fan of the marvel-s either.  Poor cover/core matchup for me. 

I wanna see assym solid versus assym solid.  Strong ones, not weak ones, not hybrid ones, not polished ones, and certainly not polished symmetricals on flat patterns expecting them to out hook an assym solid. 

I can put my hyper against a marvel pearl and indubitably promise you the hyper will cover more boards.  Same the can be said with the guru/badass. 

Still, I do appreciate the videos...as much as I like discussing the videos! :)
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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2015, 05:37:37 PM »
Guess we will see.

Now that's funny!!!!

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2015, 05:47:57 PM »
Phil, you just told us that it's either a 100% pearl or 100% solid.

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2015, 05:51:08 PM »
nope. Its neither. That's all I'm gonna say at this time. I will say we are in uncharted territory with the current Guru cover and the next ball goes to a new level. We are the Coverstock leaders.

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2015, 06:26:39 PM »
nope. Its neither. That's all I'm gonna say at this time. I will say we are in uncharted territory with the current Guru cover and the next ball goes to a new level. We are the Coverstock leaders.

If this next ball is for medium oil then I will be first in line!  I love the stuff Brunswick is pouring and have always wanted to try Radical.

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2015, 06:36:26 PM »
IDK the Crux still looks good to me.
The harder I try the harder they fall

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2015, 07:30:33 PM »
WOW! :o that is all.

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Re: Perception vs Reality part 2 - Guru vs the rest
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2015, 07:46:09 PM »
nope. Its neither. That's all I'm gonna say at this time. I will say we are in uncharted territory with the current Guru cover and the next ball goes to a new level. We are the Coverstock leaders.

That is radical! From the man!

Intriguing to say the least!
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