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icewall

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Perfect ball reaction (not my ball) why?
« on: August 07, 2011, 02:33:02 AM »
specs:

PAP 4 1/8" by 5/8" up

revs ~320

speed = 16.5 - 16 (spare ball ends up 17.5 down lane)

I certainly dont throw a fast ball

 

I have a few balls, almost all from hammer:

 

Blue vibe

Grind

Ebonite Evolve

Jigsaw corner

 

The only ball that doesnt roll out is my blue vibe and after game one I usually am fighting either to get it thru the heads or fighting how early or quickly it wants to hook. You know when you chase the ball inside in the heads but also need to catch oil down lane as well?? Well its as if there isnt enough down lane... very short oil pattern perhaps?

 

All bowling balls are drilled strong and I know that doesn't help.

 

***now here's where I started to scratch my head. I use the turbo switch grip and it never fit correctly in blue vibe (too loose) and for the second time it came out of the ball somewhere, who knows where this time!. So I reluctantly started scrambling for a ball that would somewhat fit my on the rack. I found a brunswick fury... I thought, whatever I think I remember people not liking this ball but I want to help my team win. I proceed to throw the most relaxed bowling of my life! (due to the ball clearing the heads and not ripping left when it exits the pattern) easily could have been 300 but the thumb was a tad large and span too big so I lost the ball 2 frames but everything else was strikes... big deal right? nothing amazing for a 210 avg bowler. well what blew me away was when I tugged the ball it stayed on line and held like nothing I have ever owned and when I missed right the ball smoothly just set right up toward the pocket... it was the dream ball reaction.***

 

Why would such a dull ball, with an equally strong drilling (4 inches to 3 1/2 from pap... blue vibe is 3 1/2, BOTH pin up), similar diff, and RG clear the heads just as well as a ball thats surfaced at 4000 plus polish???

 

I figure I'm looking at a coverstock difference but THAT much different? I never ever had that much area on the lanes... Please bear in mind I don't play on a house shot... its a really flat shot (don't have a clue why they use that shot???)

 

And if it is a coverstock difference what other balls should I look at getting?


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icewall

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Re: Perfect ball reaction (not my ball) why?
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2011, 04:30:41 PM »
the only other thing that could possibly contribute to its performance would be that it was oil soaked. It's an 8 lane house and any of the balls on the rack that are anything remotely good is shared between the kids that work there and they all are around 400 revs and up.

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Re: Perfect ball reaction (not my ball) why?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2011, 04:53:13 PM »
I think you kind of answered your own question with your reply.
 
The Fury was a strong, very early rolling oiler. Being an older ball, it probably absorbed a lot of oil before it was put on the rack. It never had a big backend (like the Evolve and the Corner, 2 of the larger backend solids of recent memory). So it might very well be in such a state that it did not grab in the dry midlanes, like it would have when it was new. It still doesn't have a big backend, but if you played a tight enough line, with your more than average ball speed, it carried well (very well!) for you. 
Nice bowling!
 
I suspect you need a mild polished solid to be the equivalent of the Fury (maybe a 900G Hook solid or Onyx Vibe drilled with long pin?) or fix the thumb device on that Blue Vibe, quickly.


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Re: Perfect ball reaction (not my ball) why?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2011, 05:08:41 PM »
yeah I think I did answer my own question but at the same time I'm a bit confused on how to get the same reaction when buying new gear.
 
I've heard that the onyx vibe is stronger then the blue and I already find the blue to be too much ball Unless there is a heavy concentration of oil in the middle part of the lane... works fine on heavy oil house shots up in north jersey but anywhere near where I live and the blue vibe MUST be polished often to keep it from going left too early. 
 
it's strange because another one of my friends has a new (or was new when I first bowled with him) twisted fury solid and he had the very same reaction (nice and smooth on the backend) and throws the ball a bit different then me (more ball speed).
 
The way I would describe it is.. both the fury, blue vibe or whatever seem to clear the heads in the same manor but the Big B balls reach the hook phase and stay in the hook phase for a while before rolling into the pins. With my blue vibe it starts the hook phase and it reacts at least in half the distance if not even faster then that! compared to the fury or twisted fury solid.
 
place the blue vibe on an inside line... say 18 to 12 with forward roll and im passing brooklyn. same shot with the fury and its a solid hit, and the ball has a nice long hook phase and then rolls quickly. throw the fury outside and the hook phase is nice and short like you would expect. so the only way to get my vibe to work is to make sure I play a wide angle to keep the vibe lined up... doesnt always work if the ball is rolling too soon and hitting flat, and that brings me to my next move of adding axis rotation and now I get a new problem which is far too much angle. SIGH 
 
I wish my friend was bowling with me because I can fit into his ball. 
 
Edited by icewall on 8/7/2011 at 5:14 PM

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2011, 05:21:47 PM »
I liked the Twisted Pearl enough to try the Twisted Fury Solid.I found it to be very much like you seem to have found this used Fury: the backend was very muted or controlled and I have been fairly rev dominant. In fact, so much so that it was only useful at 4000 grit for me. Polished, the backend was even more muted.
 
If your Blue Vibe is acting that way, I have 2 suggestions. 
1. Resand it down to about P1000 grit and take it back up to P4000 grit with fresh Abralon or Siaair pads. Then polish it.  The grit under your current polish may still be too rough.
 
2.  You may need even a milder solid than the Blue Vibe. For whatever it's worth, as you may remember, my go-to solid has been the Visionary Blue/green Centaur.  It is usable in so many surfaces that it handles medium oil to fairly light oil with surfaces anywhere from P1000 grit dull to P4000 with polish. There are a few current solids that may also help you: Tropical Breeze solid (I have no experience with it with it has almost zero flare). The new 900G Hook Solid can be drilled weak and taken from its stock 2000+polish to 4000+ polish.
 
Then there's a few pearl urethanes: I really like the Avalanche Urethane as its polished and a pearl.
I have not seen anyone yet polish a Natural Pearl urethane but it has potential. Seismic had the Desperado, which is also a pearl urethane with a mild asymmetric core. It has incredible hitting power for a urethane.
 
These are all viable alternatives if the Blue Vibe is truly still too early (A new Jersey disease: bowling center managers cannot afford to buy oil!). My best suggestions are the Centaur and the Avalanche Urethane.
 
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Edited by charlest on 8/7/2011 at 5:23 PM
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2011, 05:34:05 PM »
thank you very much. 
 
and it's exactly as you have said... like the backend is muted, something that seemed rather common a while back and it was a search to find a skid flip ball. now it's the other way around. 
 
btw, the blue vibe has a fresh surface of 800, 1000, 2000, 4000, polished surface using sia air pads and snake oil. tried other polishes and saw no difference, the snake oil just lasts a bit longer then ebonite's FF. also I de-oil my balls using my own custom 'oven' that consists of 2 light bulbs in a plastic bin lined with foil. works GREAT but sure wont help me as that will only return the ball back to its original backend reaction.

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Re: Perfect ball reaction (not my ball) why?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2011, 05:45:20 PM »
I do also have a brunswick avalanche green/black sitting in the basement drilled to my brothers monsterously long hands that he never liked. but thats a pearl and might respond to friction a little too quickly.

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Re: Perfect ball reaction (not my ball) why?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2011, 07:37:39 PM »
My Avalanche green/black is drilled for flip, pin over ring and CG stacked below, no weight hole. I like to put control drillings on skid/flip balls, but actually tried to get more backend from this one.(I had gone from 16s to 15s and my 16 was too smooth.) Even with this drilling, the ball acted more like a solid with no flare than a pearl, especially a PK 18 pearl.
 
My only concern is that it will be earlier rolling than  your Blue Vibe (I have had a Blue Vibe also.)  with even less backend. It could be enough of a control ball and is certainly less expensive that buying a new ball. Give it a shot. Oh, and since the stock surface is not very fine, you can take it up to as much as 4000 grit + polish to give it more length, if it is needed.
(I should dig mine out and give it one more shot.)
 
Good luck.
icewall wrote on 8/7/2011 5:45 PM:I do also have a brunswick avalanche green/black sitting in the basement drilled to my brothers monsterously long hands that he never liked. but thats a pearl and might respond to friction a little too quickly.


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Re: Perfect ball reaction (not my ball) why?
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2011, 09:05:52 AM »
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Re: Perfect ball reaction (not my ball) why?
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2011, 09:14:34 AM »
 I will, but still want to be able to replicate that reaction.