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bennett

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Pete Weber Almost Quit
« on: November 25, 2003, 12:17:37 AM »
Did anybody hear Randy Peterson's comment last telecast about how Pete Weber almost quit bowling when the newer balls came out?

The reason was due to the new equipment (coming out in the 1990's) hooking too much.  

He had to learn to stay under the ball longer to reduce the hook, which is what I do and it works fine with oil laid down.  

Now when I think with centers not having enough oil laid down, it's no wonder people are leaving. If you've spent years developing a strong release and suddenly it is negated by the lane conditions and newer balls I can certainly see why Pete Weber would want to quit.

I think we lost a lot of good bowlers when resin came out.  It just took time to get used to all of that hook.  Just 3 years ago when I bought new resin balls, I had a tough time getting used to all of that hook.  I used to bowl with urethane and plastic.  I had an old LT-48.

My guess is that there are others here on this board that had the same problem.

Edited on 11/25/2003 4:14 PM
I want to have a 220+ average like everybody else around here, so give me fresh oil.  

 

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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2003, 03:28:29 PM »
That is a long list including:  Del Ballard, Chris Warren, Robert Lawrence, Bob Vespi.  Also straight players like Tony Westlake and Dave Ferraro.  And don't forget Marshall Holman who refuses to learn the modern game.

It isn't about oil though but rather about the technology making the good players competitive with the great players.  I look back to when Del won the Firestone against Walter Ray.  Del was crushing them with a blue hammer off the ditch and Walter Ray couldn't get flush to save his life with his Thunderbolt or other crappy Ebonite that he was throwing at that time.  

For me personally, I lost the hold that I had pre-resin due to daily stripping and the stronger balls.
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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2003, 03:49:42 PM »
I have the same issue here. I was always a stroker and wanted to develop a stronger release so I have worked on my timing and release for the last 2-3 years. Just this past summer I have gotten it down to a fairly consistent operation and now there is the great oil embargo.

People have given up because there is no challenge any longer. Bowling used to be a game of skill...hit your mark, consistent release and ball speed. Now it is simply a matter of who can turn it more with enough speed to shred the racks.

I have a bowler who comes into my shop a lot to ask questions but always goes elsewhere to buy his stuff. He curently has an Icon 300, Heat 2 Pearl and Erase It. He complains that he cannot make the equipment move. Well the Heat 2 Pearl he got from me used (pin over the bridge with cg out 1/2") and the other 2 he got from "get a ball" leagues in the summer (both drilled 1:30 pin, label). To prove a point to this individual I took the following equipment out onto the lanes: XXXL (4x4 shined), Emerald Pearl (4x4 shined), Sling Blade (4-1/4x4 shined), Black Cherry Bomb (4-1/2x2-1/4 sheen), Blueberry (4-1/4x4-1/2 shined)and Inferno (5-1/2 x 4-1/2 box finish with no weighthole). I proceeded to take this set up and throw 1 ball each frame and then repeat it on the other lane. Of the 12 balls I threw I had 9 strikes, a 4-9 split, a 9 pin and an 8 pin. What does this prove? Nothing until I add the following.....I threw them on the exact same line. All I did was alter my hand position a tad. I was able to flatten out the Black Cherry and let it roll in flat (left the 8 pin) and revved up the XXXL hard which left the 9 pin.

What's my point? People who do not want to learn the game are becoming the dominant people who bowl these days in handicap leagues. These are the people the proprietors are catering to. Why no oil? These type of bowlers will NOT be able to score well with the new balls because they are still thinking with urethane so the proprietors put out a shot to give them a reaction like urethane. So back to short oil and heavily blocked lanes so that Joe Blow can knuckle the ball up 10 and shoot 279 after he has had 3 pitchers of Coors Light.

I shot 269 the other night and won the high game jackpot for game 2...guess how much it was worth? Keep in mind it is a 80 man league and pay $1 per game for the jackpot. I got a whopping $12!!!!!! WAHOOO!!!!!!!

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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2003, 03:56:42 PM »
I so agree with you dave it sounds almost like a excuse to why they didn't want to put in the time to change. I wonder the rest of the bowling population was able to make the change and these guys refused.

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scotts33

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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2003, 12:35:22 AM »
I'll ask it bennett.  Why is it most topics you author have the word quit in them?

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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2003, 07:45:07 AM »
scotts3,

Ok, I'll give you the treatment I got on this board.

I have plenty of people like YOU on my thurs league.  

It's people like YOU that make me want to quit.

Why is it that bowling has so many #$%%%%&'s like YOU?

YOU make me want to quit.

You DAMN $$#@@#!


I want to have a 220+ average like everybody else around here, so give me fresh oil.  

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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2003, 07:59:15 AM »
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I so agree with you dave it sounds almost like a excuse to why they didn't want to put in the time to change. I wonder the rest of the bowling population was able to make the change and these guys refused.

Edited on 11/25/2003 4:53 PM


Hell his Dad had to learn what he call the "Resin Release" SO why can't he?
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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2003, 10:09:30 AM »
Another factor that some have missed is that there was some question at the time of the resin introduction whether it would stick around.  Let's face it, there were a couple of companies like Faball that stuck with urethane and there staff at the time had to work with that decision.

The urethane release did not work well for the power players of the era because the ball reaction became unpredictale to some extent.  Factor into the equation that resin was an equalizer to a degree and you had some pretty good urethane players that had to take two steps backwards to move ahead three steps...that equals a dry spell that would make some question whether it was worth staying on the road.

It could also have been a convenient excuse for addressing burnout since some of those players had been out for a while.  Look at someone like Del who took time away and came back somewhat re-energized.  Others just never quite got back to where they needed to be in order to add to the list of titles...

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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2003, 11:58:32 AM »
Geez and I thought the reason Weber wanted to quit about that time was because he was a druggy.  

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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2003, 12:40:17 PM »
I am only 19, so my first few real bowling balls were urethane and plastic. So when reactive resin came to, I was young enough to where it didnt matter for me, cause I would have resin early in my game, an could get it too work from then on. Thos ethat quit cause they didnt like resin, or they couldnt get it to work for them. Well, I think apparently they dont love the game enough, cause if you did, you would find a way to make it work.
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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2003, 01:12:56 PM »
Dear God in Heaven! Please stop this...please! Technology is going to change everthing from business to sports. If you start a business and technology changes, are you going to sell your business just because you don't like the way things are going? That's ridiculous!

I haven't been bowling consistenly since I started, but I've always kept up with the game. Remember the Yellow Dot? My Dad loved this ball (still does for that matter...). So much so, that he got three of them. Then came the urethanes and he started having trouble with the U Dot's he was throwing! He said that they were too much for him! LOL!

The more things change the more things stay the same. If you could stroke the ball back then, you can stroke it now. The only thing that I didn't like about the resin balls (even though I loved my Purple Rhino when I had it!), was that skid/snap reaction that some of them were known for. What I did learn was if you had carry down, point that sucker to the pocket. If it was freshly oiled w/ backends, look out!

I guess my point is if you LOVE the game, you'll love the game enough to figure out what you have to do to stay in business. I don't know why Marshall Holman would say that about the game. I guess he still want's to earn $50K for a major tourney. Oh yeah, almost forgot to tell you something. Technology brings more money to our sport too.
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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2003, 04:21:55 PM »
quote:
Ok, I'll give you the treatment I got on this board.

I have plenty of people like YOU on my thurs league.

It's people like YOU that make me want to quit.

Why is it that bowling has so many #$%%%%&'s like YOU?

YOU make me want to quit.

You DAMN $$#@@#!




Just asked a question bennett.  You are so friendly as Leftside said.  
If, I can get this amount of energy out of you just think how another team or team mates can under mine your game.  Lil something to think about.

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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2003, 08:09:15 AM »
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I just don't understand why if Bennett (for instance, because he started this post) used to bowl well 10-15 years ago with urethane and plastic, why he can't continue to bowl well (in 2003) with urethane and plastic.

Just asking the general question to the group.  No malice intended.


I'll bite.  While I agree the balls can and do make a difference, you can adjust and learn to use the reactive, etc.  I did not bowl from 1984 through 1998, and averaged from the late 60s until then in the high 190s to about 200 using rubber and plastic equipment.  When I came back to bowling in 1998, I had to learn to use reactive resin.  I never had and still don't have a urethane ball. It took some time and a lot of practice to figure it out, but it can be done.  My release is probably stronger now than it was then, and my average is 210+.  It should be higher, but I just don't focus in leagues like I should.

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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2003, 10:57:11 AM »
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Thos ethat quit cause they didnt like resin, or they couldnt get it to work for them. Well, I think apparently they dont love the game enough, cause if you did, you would find a way to make it work


 
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I guess my point is if you LOVE the game, you'll love the game enough to figure out what you have to do to stay in business.


Says it all for me. DEAL WITH IT AND BOWL. ADAPT IF YOU'RE GOOD. If you quit cause you cant make your limited game take advantage of today's technology then you're a one trick pony.


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Re: Pete Weber Almost Quit
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2003, 05:44:33 PM »
HE'S FAR FROM QUITTING NOW. hE WILL FINALLY GET HIS PLAYER OF THE YEAR THIS SAESON!!!
JUST CHECK OUT THAT FORM!!!
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