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Shoutout33

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Does anybody know if...
« on: November 25, 2003, 08:35:29 PM »
someone will bring out a bowling game for any of the game systems? It seems like after they did the Brunswick bowling that was the end of it. From what I remember, the game actually sold very well.

I would love nothing more than to have EA Sports create a realistic PBA bowling game...seriously. Have EVERY bowler on the tour (if possible), on the game. Have a create a player interface like they have on Tiger Woods 2004. Now that'd be nice!

Have the crowd react as would at the tournaments. (I didn't like the way they did it in the last Brunswick game.) Have all the shoes, balls, bags, or whatever that the PBA sactions. That would cover at least 80-90% of the market easily.

There's some other stuff I know I could think of and I know there are some bowlers out there who are gamers as well. What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2003, 11:45:25 AM »
I saw AMF bowling advertised in a Best Buy or Circuit City flyer.

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Re: Does anybody know if...
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2003, 12:56:20 PM »
Bowling is a small market compared to most other sports.  Bowling is also a very simplistic sport from an outsider's perspective.  That's why most bowling games are all about clicking once for power and once for accuracy.

I'm not an expert at video games, but I thought Brunswick Pro Circiut Bowling wasn't a lot of fun.  It was easier for me to throw a straight ball than try to hook the ball.

I'd like to see a bowling game have the power and accuracy as settings you can make instead of a click contest.  Have the sport in the game come from picking the right line and and ball as well as making adjustments to lane conditions that breakdown realistically.   Also have the hook ability/style match the player--Robert Smith revs the ball like mad & WRW plays an end-over-ender.
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livespive

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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2003, 01:09:49 PM »
I heard from a friend of mine that x-Box was supposed to do one.
He wasn't sure which company was writting it though.
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Shoutout33

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Re: Does anybody know if...
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2003, 02:43:52 PM »
Constatine,

I agree with you 100% on this. One thing I didn't like about the game was the camera angles! You couldn't read the ball going down the lane if you wanted too! I would be nice if they would use the camera angles they use on TV. I mean, show the bowler starting off, but after that, switch to the camera that will help you read the lanes better.


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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2003, 02:53:41 PM »
When you think about it though clicking is all about timimg.  So is your approach.

Can you imagine the physics involved in creating a bowling game with that much detail?  

Lane transition (they had a little of that)
Rev Rates
All of the ball physics (cores, surfaces etc)

I think it would be nice, but it will take a while to get it.
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Re: Does anybody know if...
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2003, 06:03:58 AM »
Stormrox, I e-mailed Bethesda 3 months ago and they said they didnt have a bowling game in development. Someone else did the same thing in another post and had the same reply.So I dont know what to believe.
We can hope though cant we.
Maybe we all should get together and e-mail EA Sports and get them to put out a bowling title similar to Tiger Woods 2004. That would be an awesome game.
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Re: Does anybody know if...
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2003, 11:38:27 PM »
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Lane transition (they had a little of that)
Rev Rates
All of the ball physics (cores, surfaces etc)



Rev rates aren't really any different than the amount of hook that the current Brunswick game has.  I'd just want floors & ceilings on the amount of hook bowlers can have.  Give the crankers max hook of course and limit the bottom amount of hook to 1/2 max.  Give a tweener 3/4 max to 1/4 max.  And give the stroker 1/2 max to the minimum.  And give all bowlers a straight option.

As far as ball physics, I'd ignore cores and drillings.  Just work everything off the surface and give the game 6 balls: particle, pearl particle, resin, pearl resin, urethane & plastic.  That way you'd sort of have heavy oil arc, heavy flip, medium arc, medium flip, dry arc & dry flip.

Lane transtions would be the cornerstone of the game.  I'd want a lot of AI baked to to that, but I don't think it would be impossible.  You just need to figure out a couple formulas that calculate drying effect and carrydown.  A formula that says drying effect equals W x volume of oil + X x shots on the same line + Y x ball surface + Z x rev rate used.  Then when the lanes dry make the ball hook earlier and arc more.  Likewise have similar formula that changes the backend reaction for carrydown.  I'm sure someone with gaming experience could work this out.

I also have many more ideas, such as...Like other games, give a character base stats like revs, ball speed, accuracy then allow those factors to improve as you work in practice mode.  Have pratice mode give tips on how to play the lane. You could limit the equipment choices and then allow the character to buy a new ball with tourney winnings.  Have the bowler start in amateur tourneys, move up to regionals, and finally the national tour.  Make the shot get harder and the competition improve as you move up each level.  Don't let you practice on the hard shot until you when on the easy shot.

I think a game like this could do a lot for the image of bowling.  Kids play games, so you attract kids to bowling.  You's expose kids to the stars of the PBA which creates a fan base and increases viewership.  And you educate the kids who play the game because they'll know about lane patterns, carrydown, etc. which makes them appreciate the PBA even more
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Re: Does anybody know if...
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2003, 12:54:15 PM »
Well, one thing they BETTER do is have some DAMN good character models and realistic reactions when they throw! I hated that about brunswick bowling, I need a strike to win, leave a solid 10, and my character just shakes his head!?!?! PLEASE!

Imagine having character models like Visual Concepts does with their basketball game. Heck, come to think of it, since PBA Bowling is on ESPN, mabey they should make the game! I'd want the works! Realistic character models, facial expressions, reactions and everthing. They could even make it where the emotions build up over the course of the game. If a player is getting blown out things are kind of just hum drum because you know whose one the game early on. But have a heated match and have the crowd, announcers, and the bowlers themselves react occordingly all the way to the 10th frame!

As far as equipment goes, I agree with Stormrox, why not have a buch of equipment you can purchase! Figure out how you want it drilled, what you want it to do and how it'll react. There are a lot of games who have this for the realistic gamer in other games, why not have it in a bowling game? Hell, even have a practice session where you can use the CATS system! Now that would be TIGHT!

Also, have the actual bowling lanes that major tournaments are held in and even include the Nation Bowling Center in Las Vegas. (or is it Reno?) I mean there is soooo much you could do with this it's not even funny! I'd just hope that they take their time to do it right. One last thing that would be really cool is if you could have the classic pros avail with the new pros. Ok, I'll stop, but you get my point right?
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When you've moved up, moved back, adjusted left and right, cupped, flattened out, have thrown everyting in your arsenal, and the pins still don't cooperate, just say, "Aw to HELL with it!", and throw the ball!