Author Topic: Pin Carry and how to regain it?? (Read 3156 times)

BrunsMike · « **on:** August 06, 2006, 01:49:52 PM »

At this house I bowl at on Wed/Thurs nights in the fall called sunset lanes. Ive never had really good pin carry in this house. I can go anywhere else and rocket a messenger or two per game at the 9 or 10 pin. I goto sunset, very few messengers or slap 6 pins taking out the 10 pin. I had better pin action on the old wooden lanes before the new lanes were put in. Im just lost in this house. Its the main reason why my average is 10-15 pins lower then other houses i bowl at.

Im open to any ideas.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite ave. 180.

leftehh- LG · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2006, 10:15:36 PM »

1. What type of lanes are they?
2. What ball are you using?
3. What kind of surface is on it?
4. How is it drilled?
5. how are you releasing it?
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Andy "LG" Reynoso
"Bowl to win"

BrunsMike · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2006, 10:23:22 PM »

quote:
1. What type of lanes are they?
2. What ball are you using?
3. What kind of surface is on it?
4. How is it drilled?
5. how are you releasing it?
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Andy "LG" Reynoso
"Bowl to win"

#1. Brunswicks newest synthetics
#2. Doesnt matter, pin carry sucks with anything I roll.
#3. Answer the same as #1.
#4. Scorchin: pin down under ring finger 1.5" CG kicked right, x-hole down. Smokin: Pin under bridge, cg .5" right of palm. The one and the big one both the same, Pin over bridge, CG and MB in 45* down and right in line.
#5. Im not clear on what you mean by how im releasing the ball.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite ave. 180.

ambi1 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2006, 10:41:12 PM »

Absolute hit the nail right on the head.. All I can add is look for area, be it swing or hold. The Pro anvil lanes really tend to leave a lot of tens so observe your break point.

good luck
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DARK BEER IT IS THEN!

BrunsMike · « **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2006, 10:47:58 PM »

quote:
Absolute hit the nail right on the head.. All I can add is look for area, be it swing or hold. The Pro anvil lanes really tend to leave a lot of tens so observe your break point.

good luck
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DARK BEER IT IS THEN!

Your not kidding about leaving ALOT of 10 pins! Even 7-10's have become 100X's more prevelant since the new lanes were put in.

absolutebowling, Thank you for your post. Some things that I was over looking or not even thinking about! I will give some things a look at and make some adjustments.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite ave. 180.

BrunsMike · « **Reply #5 on:** August 06, 2006, 11:01:56 PM »

quote:
sunset re-did there lanes?

because in feb of this yr they were still pretty old
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johnny

Feb. 25th 2006 was the date the new synthetics were installed 100% done. Since then my average dropped 10 pins along with about 10 people in my leauge, others seemed to love it and they gained 10 pins to their average. Guess I need to restyle my game a tad for the new shot, which i hope helps me rather then hurts me.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite ave. 180.

spmcgivern · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2006, 08:24:23 AM »

One other thing to think about when you have a problem like carry, is where the oil is located on the lane. When a center changes surfaces, especially going from old wood to new synthetics, lanes MUST be oil differently. You could have the highest scoring house in the world, but change from wood to synthetics, and you will not be able to score very well at all.

If the lanes were old wood, then I am guessing that it took a lot of oil to maintain any head oil that would last anywhere near 3 games. Once the new lanes were installed, it would take a while to get the shot to be the same as or close to before. As far as the new anvilanes are concerned, they are slicker and what everyone else has said is correct, but once the new lanes were put in, you HAVE to consider yourself at a new bowling center and start over to decide where your comfort zone is.

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2006, 08:45:56 AM »

New lanes often come with problems concerning oil machin adjustments. I witnessed twice so far that a new house tends to put out way too much oil on the new lanes. I had this in a wood house which went to AMF synth surface, and a new Brunswick house, both last year. For about 6 months, both lanes tended to be soupy hell wher nothing would move at all. All you could do was either using sanded particle equipment and play really slowly, or go for direct shots at the pocket with anything polished.
You should be able to make a deduction when you check the oil rings on your balls, if they have become more and boarder. If so, playing slower, sanding a ball and/or going for a more down-and-in shot are the best tactics. A simple foot adjustment to the right or towrads the foul line can do the trick!

As many mentioend before: entry angle is the key for strikes. Make experimenst with lines, speed, equipment and release, and do not stick to your old wood house game. In almost any case there is a solution to carry, just be creative and read what the ball tells you.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2006, 01:24:54 PM »

Many times when new synthetics are laid they are put right on top of old lanes.

This often deepens the gutter depth in relation to the new higher lane surface.
Trapping many corner pins in the gutter. Advantage often seems to go to the faster bowler with a more direct roll for some reason.

Their speed often being a function of a more direct release.

Such is the case in our anvilane centers placed on top of old wood!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..

spmcgivern · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2006, 01:33:22 PM »

If I am not mistaken, when new synthetic lanes are placed on top of wood lanes, it should have NO effect on carry when considering the pin deck area. Synthetic lanes only go to the pin deck split which is its own piece and starts a little bit in front of the head pin. The synthetic lane does not go all the way to the back of the pin deck area, thus having no effect on pin carry.

BrunsMike · « **Reply #10 on:** August 07, 2006, 05:26:02 PM »

quote:
If I am not mistaken, when new synthetic lanes are placed on top of wood lanes, it should have NO effect on carry when considering the pin deck area. Synthetic lanes only go to the pin deck split which is its own piece and starts a little bit in front of the head pin. The synthetic lane does not go all the way to the back of the pin deck area, thus having no effect on pin carry.

Funny you mention that. Before the new lanes I could pop a 10 pin or any back row pin out of the pit once or twice a night. Since the new lanes were put in last Feb., I have had only 1 pin pop back out from the pit. I think that the extra quarter inch of thickness is actually effecting some pin carry.

As for the lanes being over oiled, they are not. As I am playing 3 boards deeper then I was on the wood lanes.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite ave. 180.

kmanestor22 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 08, 2006, 05:40:11 PM »

quote:
If I am not mistaken, when new synthetic lanes are placed on top of wood lanes, it should have NO effect on carry when considering the pin deck area. Synthetic lanes only go to the pin deck split which is its own piece and starts a little bit in front of the head pin. The synthetic lane does not go all the way to the back of the pin deck area, thus having no effect on pin carry.

The pin decks are usually replaced when synthetic overlays are installed. If not, they would still have to be moved up. The flat gutters must be raised as well to meet the maximum depth allowed. It is possible that the installers changed the tilt of the pindeck (some tilt is beneficial and allowable) Also, I personally raised the flat gutters to the minimum depth to ensure proper carry. Our house average remained the same the year after installation and was a pin higher this year. You just need good lanemen.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #12 on:** August 08, 2006, 06:10:38 PM »

According to the old salts in my center...whatever happened when the synthetics were put in...made the gutters in the center the deepest they have experienced and turned the center into a 6 pin and 4 pin trap.

Since that time it has been a high speed bowler center.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..

BrunsMike · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2006, 10:35:47 PM »

Tonight I had better pin carry but ONLY because the PBA shot was the Cheeta. Very high flying backends. Went right, little hand in the ball, and upped my speed to about 19MPH. Strikes were hard to come by until I figured out how to play the pattern. 20-2/5. Went 173, 175, 178 tonight for 526. My average was 160. Used the Smokin Inferno all night long. Everything else was jumping off the dry.

Pin carry was better overall tonight.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite ave. 180.

BrunsMike · « **Reply #14 on:** August 09, 2006, 11:20:35 PM »

I have a Smokin Inferno which is a Pearl, That ball did pretty good last night on the cheeta shot so that might be the ball I use. Im also getting a Vapor Zone which is also a pearl.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite ave. 180.

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