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rymacatthedisco

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pin to pap drillings
« on: April 10, 2010, 11:20:21 AM »
looking for some input about pin to pap drillings. I know what it is, but im looking at what ball (types of cores/covers) do you guys think would work best.

Im struggling a lot lately with tons of over/under on the house shots around here and the summer wont be any better with the less oil and heat. so i was recommended to drill a ball pin to pap or 2 inches pin to pap.

I am just not sure what type of ball to do it to, sym/asym/strong core/weak core/etc.

any suggestions would be great! thanks guys
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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2010, 07:35:23 PM »
Look into the Columbia 300 pure swing.
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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2010, 08:16:47 PM »
a few guys that are over by me were really struggling with over/under reaction
we did a Rico drill for them
and they worked great
maybe try that out

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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 08:32:46 AM »
Try a slingshot, 69.95 shipped from buddies, how can you go wrong? Mine is very smooth, and I used a 6" pin. I wanted a ball that doesnt hook much and I got it.

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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2010, 08:41:00 AM »
I second a RICO drill.  My house was very over/under this year and the RICO drill with 2000 and 4000 surfaces helped smooth things out.  I have this on a Sidewinder and plan on getting something a little weaker with a Pearl coverstock for when that is too strong.
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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2010, 09:34:08 AM »
acvar
most of the balls reaction actually comes from its coverstock
not the core
the core does amplify what the coverstock is designed to do but a big majority of the ball reaction comes from the coverstock

go with a low performance piece something like a freeze, or mars, or even dark star or riot if you still want to have a ball that will cover some boards but give a consistent reaction
and go with a Rico drilling
the Rico tames the jump off of the dry and is a smooth consistent layout which will help when you start to have over/under reaction

I would recommend tryinging to keep the surface around 2000 abralon or 4000 abralon to start and adjust accordingly

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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2010, 09:38:26 AM »
If you use the dual angle drilling, use a higher val angle drilling or if you use Storm's pin buffer drilling use around a 3" pin buffer. What this does is create a earlier reading ball that is more of a strong arc at the backend. Higher pin placements and shorter pin buffer will give you more skid/flip reaction, which gives you the over/under! Rico works for some, but not for others and I found that it's good for certain conditions.
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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2010, 10:21:24 AM »
Unless they have an unusual PAP (and rymacatthedisco is 4" straight over, if you bothered to read his profile), Rico will give a pretty similar roll.

The "dollar value" comes from the cover.  After a few years on a high end ball, the cover gets passed down to the mid range line.  Pin axis basically takes the core out of the equation.  Something like a 2" pin to PAP looks for an early rolling, reduced flare reaction which should help over/under.

I would never recommend a leverage drilling for someone experiencing over/under.  Leverage creates the most imbalance, hence more chance for over/under.  Your recommendation of more surface is a good one.

I personally would look for a ball with a strong cover with a weaker drilling, and add enough surface so you can keep the ball in the oil longer.
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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2010, 10:42:39 AM »
could even go with a zero degree drilling... then use some surface on it as the drilling will make the ball push.

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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2010, 11:12:12 AM »
I have freeze drilled with a 135 degree layout.  I have left the surface at OOB.  

it does very well when the lanes are over/under.  The freeze is my 2nd ball with that layout and both did very well on over/under.

My driller read about in a magazine and we tried it out on an old used ball.

But I have since found information on the drilling on a website called bowlingknowledge.com

Here is a link to drilling:  http://bowlingknowledge.com/tips/mario/mario_105&135degreelayouts.htm

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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2010, 11:46:46 AM »
I personally have used 2.5" Pin to paps on different balls and it smooths the backend out since i have tons of sideroll.

I would do it on something with a  medium RG differential and not super strong cover.
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Any of these with a 2 or 2.5 pin-pap should help smooth out the over under

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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2010, 08:47:15 AM »
Personally, I made good experience with a half axis setup (pin at 2" from PAP, CG in palm) - not jumpy at all, but deadly rolly, and very specific so that the ball is not in my usual bag.
I used a 2nd hand Particle Power Groove as a base, surface polished. And I must say that this ball, with its high RG and good differential, was/is a good choice. I would not recommend a lower RG ball or something with an aggressive cover, unless you have really high speed or want to play a flat oil swamp wher you need that early roll. I also found that I have to play this ball very aggressively (concerning speed and revs), because of its early rolling tendency. It plays very different from a "normal" ball, but definitively has its uses!
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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2010, 11:48:53 AM »
thanks for all the thoughts guys. i think im just gonna take my furious and redrill it, so i guess we will see how it works out on that ball. probably shine the surface up a little bit, but not a lot

on the rico idea, ive used rico before and it really doesnt allow me to get into the dry part of the lane very much. If it hits dry it wants to start very quickly and then just kinda roll and die so for now im gonna stay away from that
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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2010, 11:59:07 AM »
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Uggh!  So do either of you who suggested a rico drill know what this mans PAP is?  No you don't so how can you suggest this drill?  Because you do not know what you are talking about.  Rico is fine if you have an average PAP.  If your track is either high or low (or worse yet you are a full roller) it does not perform as desired, but that does not stop every Tom, Dick, and Harry on bowling forums suggesting it to everybody that asks for help!  It is an off the rack drill designed to be used when time constraints are a problem (read at a tournament).  Why buy off the rack when you have the time to get a custom fit?  Because Rico is a cool sounding name?



If you look at his profile, he states PAP 4 over by 0, which means that a RICO layout puts the pin at 4 inches from his axis.  Based on that, I would say do a RICO or medified version (pin still on center line, but make the pin 4.5 from axis since he does have a higher rev rate).
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Re: pin to pap drillings
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2010, 12:29:05 PM »
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thanks for all the thoughts guys. i think im just gonna take my furious and redrill it, so i guess we will see how it works out on that ball. probably shine the surface up a little bit, but not a lot

on the rico idea, ive used rico before and it really doesnt allow me to get into the dry part of the lane very much. If it hits dry it wants to start very quickly and then just kinda roll and die so for now im gonna stay away from that
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normally on a Rico drilled setup it does look almost as if the ball is dying on the backend when it moves off the dry but it is not
if setup properly you will retain just as much carry as you do with any other type of drilling that continues hard off the dry
my stuff that is drilled Rico is exactly that almost looks as if it rolls out off the dry but the hit and carry that it produces is the same as everything else I have
also the fast might not be a great piece to combat over/under conditions either
I would try and stay with solid cover
or at least knock the polish off of the fast,
the polish will only enhance the over/under reaction