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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: thewhiz on September 17, 2015, 12:14:46 AM

Title: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: thewhiz on September 17, 2015, 12:14:46 AM

Would someone explain to me what pin up and pin down layouts mean?  What would the ball motion be on each layout?

Title: Re: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: kopking666 on September 17, 2015, 02:31:07 AM

Pin up generally gives you more length, pin down the ball should read earlier and should be more controllable and predictive.

Title: Re: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: Josey Wales on September 17, 2015, 11:10:02 AM

Pin up layouts can give more length unless the pin is up and closer to your VAL (vertical axis line). Generally, pin up layouts cause the core to respond to the friction quicker, which causes the reaction shape to be sharper.

Pin down layouts cause the core to respond to the friction slower, which results in a more curvy or arc shaped reaction that takes longer meaning more continuous.

Title: Re: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: vkowalski1970 on September 17, 2015, 12:57:59 PM

Ugh. Pin up/down does not control length. Surface and pin to pap control length!

Title: Re: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: DynoLess Daddy on September 17, 2015, 01:12:03 PM

True but it does give a slight tuning to the motion depending on the bowlers specs.

Title: Re: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: vkowalski1970 on September 17, 2015, 01:29:26 PM

It's controls transition speed.

Title: Re: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: Jesse James on September 17, 2015, 03:10:17 PM

Ha, ha, ha .....semantics. Vkowalski1970, technically you are right! Spot on, in fact. But to the average bowler and to the naked eye, everyone else is correct as well.

Pin up appears to give more length, and the pin down appears to give more control and readability.

I use pin downs now mostly because I've gotten older and I throw it slower, so I find that the slow transitioning layouts are best for me.

Title: Re: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: J_w73 on September 17, 2015, 05:54:12 PM

What? Three people agreeing about pin up vs pin down?  I'm running for cover.  The world might end.  I agree with the last 4 posts.

Title: Re: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: Monster Pike on September 17, 2015, 07:54:06 PM

Pin up does "influence" length to ball & so does the cover & cover prep... I didn't see previous posters use the word "control" w/length... One did say their "pin down" layouts were more "controllable" & "read the lane earlier"... 

But in general, from what I have heard pros say, pin up layout does generally help influence adding length to a ball.

Title: Re: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 17, 2015, 07:58:23 PM

I was always told that pin-down drillings helps the ball to get into a roll a bit sooner. Anyhow, I prefer pin-down  drillings as for whatever reason, they have always seemed to worked best for me.

Title: Re: pin up vs. pin down
Post by: Azaelv on September 17, 2015, 08:05:29 PM

for me pin down is stronger than pin up  :o