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Hex017

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Playing the Deep Inside and Up the 1-2-3 boards
« on: March 08, 2005, 09:17:48 AM »
Just got back from practice, was working on my game. I realized since I'm bowling a league in a new house I need to add some versatility to my game so I was practicing the deep inside line and playing up the 1-2-3 board (similar to the line Duke was throwing when he threw 300) and I realized well....THAT I SUCK AT IT! Throwing the twig (I think it's called) was not so bad, but I tugged a few 5 boards or more left on occasion. Now playing deep and in...that was ugly. Threw two shots like I wanted to the entire game. So my question is guys...how the H*** do you get lined up and play the twig and deep inside line. Now I don't expect to be able to play the deep inside like Tommy Jones or up the twig like Duke but god I can at least get better in those areas. If I do my avg will skyrocket at my new league house. So guys explain to me how do you do it, and what is a good way to practice throwing these lines?
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Re: Playing the Deep Inside and Up the 1-2-3 boards
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2005, 09:44:30 PM »
These are things that I've learned to work on with my coach's help. When playing a deep inside line, you have to be willing to pivot your front foot a couple of boards towards the target you wish to hit while trying to keep your back leg almost parallel to the foul line. Chances are if you want to start the ball out at 4th or 5th arrow, you will be probably starting your approach around 25-27 board for 4th arrow and 30-32 board for 5th arrow. Be aware of the fact that you will probably have to throw the ball at a slower ball speed if you are covering more area on the lane in order for the ball to save its energy for the back end move you desire to make (unless the lanes in the center are drier...). I've learned in order to play the twig trust is a must. Chances are you will start your feet around the 10 board and walk towards your target, finishing your feet around the 5 board.  For more power when playing the down and in off the twig, look longer down the lane and release the ball probably 6 inches past your last step. If you are pulling the release by 5 boards there are some timing issues that need to be worked out. Don't be afraid to throw a couple of gutter balls when learning to play this line.

Hope this helps...

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Re: Playing the Deep Inside and Up the 1-2-3 boards
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2005, 10:07:34 PM »
Matt mentioned something that I was going to:  angling the feet towards the target and walking towards your target.  

Also, if you are inconsistant in hitting your target, you may have an inconsistant drift - not ending up in the exact same spot on the approach each and every time.

If you learn the 'personal number' system, it will help in lining up to play different lines and to line up by watching someone else who is hitting the pocket.

Some of this subject was covered awhile back in this thread:


http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?CategoryID=5&ForumID=16&TopicID=55862&PageNum=2

More info:
http://www.youthbowling.com/campinfo.htm


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Re: Playing the Deep Inside and Up the 1-2-3 boards
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2005, 10:32:22 PM »
Go to this web site: www.bowlingcoach.com

Download this PDF file: CEAug02.pdf

to start with. Read the ALIGNMENT section.

I would recommend reading every coaching file on the site.
They are all excellent.
After you read them, you will have a good grasp of lane play, and will know which questions to ask.

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Re: Playing the Deep Inside and Up the 1-2-3 boards
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2005, 10:56:14 PM »
Well for playing real deep, and considering you already have really slow ball speed, slowing down isn't gona help much i don't think.  I reccomend not forcing your ball to hook downlane.  I see alot of kids who try to play deeper and snap their wrist out at the bottom causing skid skid snap.  Which is extremely inconsistent and could lead to alot of splits.

As for the twig, it's important to not be afraid to throw it in the gutter.  You can't play up the gutter if you are going to yank every other shot.  If you are only accessable to a house shot, try playin up the boards with a plastic ball.  You must try to play up the lanes, you want to see your swing going up the lane through the follow thru.
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Re: Playing the Deep Inside and Up the 1-2-3 boards
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2005, 11:40:18 PM »
It's about getting your shoulders/body lined up correctly in both situations.

When playing the gutter, you want to be more square to the foul line, feet more even in your stance.  If you are looking at 2nd or 3rd board, you don't have alot of room for error, you also don't want the ball going right off your hand.  Paul Fleming told me once to think about pushing the ball away slightly to the right (into the gutter), caused a slight loop in my swing, and the ball didn't go to the right off my hand.  May not work for everybody.  The gutter is probably harder to get used to, most right handers don't ever have to play there, and with more traffic on the right side, you spend more time moving left (away from the gutter).  You have to practice it, don't be afraid to spend some time ramming plastic up the crack.

When you are playing deep, you have to have your shoulders open, and you want to be walking more toward your target than straight toward the foul line.  You want your right foot back in your stance to help you keep your shoulders open.  For me there are more varieties of deep shots.

If the lanes are hooking alot, then you want your target down the lane, to help you project the ball and also gives you (me) a little more margin for error.  If you miss your target by two boards at 40 feet, the ball will probably still go in the pocket.  If you miss your target by two boards at 15 feet, the ball may miss the head pin.  If the lanes are hooking you don't want to hit the ball very much if any, let the lane hook the ball for you, you want to use as little effort as possible, and keep your speed as firm as possible.  If you have the right surface to your ball, you will have tons of area, and this can be a very high scoring condition.  Don't be afraid to get in front of the ball return, there is still air to breathe over there!

Sometimes the lanes are slick, but you still need to be playing fifth arrow.  This happens alot on PBA conditions, the pattern is very long, and when the ball comes off the pattern, it still skids some, and heaven forbid you get a little carry down, there just isn't very much dry board area to hook the ball.  You can't get the ball off the gutter, because there is not enough dry at the end of the lane to make the ball hook, even with the monster balls available!  So you see guys playing way in, usually with medium surface.  You are just trying to get the ball to the right of the pocket at the break point, and use the small hook area to create a slight angle enough to carry.  The big hand players usually have an advantage here, because they can make the ball turn harder, and strike more.

You gotta practice both ways.  I'm lucky to be short, getting in front of the ball return for bowling on the right lane has never been much of a problem for me.  There are not many players who can do both, most have one line they are better at than the other.  Chris Barnes, Jason Couch, Norm Duke, Brian Voss, and Danny Wiseman or guys off the top of my head that can play both very well.  Duke, David Ozio, Walter Ray, Mike Haugen, Mike Scroggins and Major Mika are all guys that are really good gutter players.  Chris Johnson, Chris Barnes, Mitch Beasley, Wes Malott and Jason Hurd are all guys that I have seen get air time over the left gutter playing 5th and 6th arrow.

Hope this helps ya, keep working!!!!!
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Re: Playing the Deep Inside and Up the 1-2-3 boards
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2005, 11:45:45 PM »
Playing the twig:

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip6.htm

Playing deep inside:

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip24.htm
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Re: Playing the Deep Inside and Up the 1-2-3 boards
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2005, 02:28:41 PM »
Thanks so much for all the advice everyone. I have read Cliftons tips and they are useful but I was wondering what others had to say. I think I will download those files from bowlingcoach and check them out. Responding to some of the posts: about my drift...I walk very straight now, mid-season I had to learn to stop drifitng because it was so inconsistent, my coach helped me and I taught myself how to walk straight. I do have one more question for you guys though. When playing these lines do you think it is better to try to use more forward roll or side rotation? Also when talking about going to the outside I was actually thinking about using the twig on heavy oil. My new house soaks the inside but leaves the outside dry. Thing is swinging it out means no carry. So I want to learn to play the twig and try that. Deep inside will help also because of all the oil, keeping the ball on the headpin will be key when the outsides get TOO dry. The reason I think I pulled some 5 or more boards left was because of my fear of the gutter. I do have a little bit of an eye drifting problem but it is like a malfunction I have of wanting to NOT start and stay on the gutter for the entire shot (swinging it is fine, playing up the twig is not). Anyway thanks a lot everyone and I will practice as much as possible.
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Re: Playing the Deep Inside and Up the 1-2-3 boards
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2005, 04:31:12 PM »
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I do have one more question for you guys though. When playing these lines do you think it is better to try to use more forward roll or side rotation?


When playing deeper lines, releases used to create more side roll are a good way to help you "feed" the ball to the outside.

However, as others have said, playing inside doesn't necessarily means you're swinging the ball way out and covering a ton of boards.  On the touchy long or heavy patterns that force you to move your breakpoint closer to the pocket, more forward roll can help the ball move earlier in the heavy oil to give you a better reaction and carry (by not blowing through the breakpoint).

Contrary to this, if you are using an inside line and covering many boards because the conditions are fairly dry, too much forward roll can cause the ball to roll out and hit like a pillow.  That's when increased sideroll can help you promote increased length and that "push" to the outside part of the lane.

As for playing outside the first arrow, I favor the forward roll on most conditions (including PBA patterns E and A).  The reason is pretty simple.  By playing outside the first arrow, your breakpoint is about as far from the pocket as you can get.  Balls that go too long and break late (read: more side roll) can create extreme entry angles that, while they look neat, greatly reduce your carry percentage - leaving pocket 7-10's where you would normally leave ringing corner pins and 3-10 (righties) or 2-7 (lefties) on hits that would normall leave a bucket or single 3-pin/2-pin.  Six degrees of entry angle has been shown to be the optimum entry angle for carry.  Anything greater and your carry percentage decreases significantly and quickly.  Forward roll on the outside shot allows you to take advantage of the condition's forgiveness but helps move the breakpoint in closer to the headpin as the ball will start up sooner, thus reducing the chance of that nasty 7+ degrees of entry angle.
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