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FBM357

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Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« on: January 21, 2009, 11:30:00 AM »
a high track?  Something along the lines of 5" or more?  Just wondering.  I've read several post concerning guys with low track and many have said they're 'spinning' the ball.  Just how low would be considered a 'spinner'?  I'm inverted and have loft as well (have a habit of releasing the ball beyond the ankle).  I favor polished pearls and hybrids.  Only throw solids to combat carrydown or pin under ring layouts to calm the reaction. As a result, due to inverted track, I can have a predictable reaction where higher trackers can't.  Yet I can sometimes fall victim to areas where higher trackers tend to excel (especially in recovery from deeper angles)

Ever wonder if there's a 'highly favorable' PAP?

Hope this makes sense ..
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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 07:38:45 PM »
I was inverted at 5 1/2 over, it was a high tracker spinner release. Changed it and always can revert back to it when needed on fried heads, great for pushing the ball down lane and getting big backend still.

Now I track even farther over 5 5/8 over and 7/8 up hard to get more high track than now for me. Good part is I can lower it easily 1 inch by changing my release and getting around the ball alot more.
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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 02:36:10 AM »
The chart in the link below gives characteristics for different track diameters (amounts of axis tilt).  --  JohnP

https://www.buddiesproshop.com/36/Asymetrical_Layout_Guide.htm
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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 06:27:48 AM »
thanks
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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 07:11:39 AM »
Vern pitching beyond the arrows is not loft, that's chunking it, lol
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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2009, 08:04:10 PM »
My axis is 5-3/8 over and a 1/2" down, I track somewhat high. The thing I find is that even though your track has a lot to do with your layouts your tilt and axis rotation is still a big key. All things combined I'm inverted when it comes to track but I find myself needing balls that are smoother reacting by nature, my stuff all seems to flip more than roll which isn't bad but it has made me stay with Hybrids and Solids for the most part. I'm going to try a Cell Pearl out, probably going with a 6" by 4" layout.

I don't think there really is a favorable PAP though, most people can adjust releases and your PAP is only a little amount, how balls are laid out and surface prepped as well as how you release it tilt and rotation wise are big factors.


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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2009, 08:18:48 PM »
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Vern pitching beyond the arrows is not loft, that's chunking it, lol
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Steve, you mean to tell me the balls aren't supposed to be thrown overhand? .. Damn, and I thought my balls were 'hooking' in flight!
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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2009, 08:25:47 PM »
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My axis is 5-3/8 over and a 1/2" down, I track somewhat high. The thing I find is that even though your track has a lot to do with your layouts your tilt and axis rotation is still a big key. All things combined I'm inverted when it comes to track but I find myself needing balls that are smoother reacting by nature, my stuff all seems to flip more than roll which isn't bad but it has made me stay with Hybrids and Solids for the most part. I'm going to try a Cell Pearl out, probably going with a 6" by 4" layout.


Interesting that you like Solids while being inverted.  Guess it's about the condition as well as like you indicated, tilt, rotation etc.  Don't get me wrong, I throw solids, but have to polish them unless I'm throwing with above avg. amount of oil.
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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2009, 08:30:27 PM »
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My axis is 5-3/8 over and a 1/2" down, I track somewhat high. The thing I find is that even though your track has a lot to do with your layouts your tilt and axis rotation is still a big key. All things combined I'm inverted when it comes to track but I find myself needing balls that are smoother reacting by nature, my stuff all seems to flip more than roll which isn't bad but it has made me stay with Hybrids and Solids for the most part. I'm going to try a Cell Pearl out, probably going with a 6" by 4" layout.


Interesting that you like Solids while being inverted.  Guess it's about the condition as well as like you indicated, tilt, rotation etc.  Don't get me wrong, I throw solids, but have to polish them unless I'm throwing with above avg. amount of oil.
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It is interesting, the way my equipment reacts I always need something that is made to roll earlier, I always tend to get a more lengthy reaction, my Pin down solids act like my buddies pin up Pearls, its always odd but its what i'm used to now so its no biggy. I'm going to be trying a Cell Pearl and try my luck, the last few pearls i've tried didn't work, just way to angular even with pin down layouts.
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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2009, 08:30:34 PM »
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My axis is 5-3/8 over and a 1/2" down, I track somewhat high. The thing I find is that even though your track has a lot to do with your layouts your tilt and axis rotation is still a big key. All things combined I'm inverted when it comes to track but I find myself needing balls that are smoother reacting by nature, my stuff all seems to flip more than roll which isn't bad but it has made me stay with Hybrids and Solids for the most part. I'm going to try a Cell Pearl out, probably going with a 6" by 4" layout.


Interesting that you like Solids while being inverted.  Guess it's about the condition as well as like you indicated, tilt, rotation etc.  Don't get me wrong, I throw solids, but have to polish them unless I'm throwing with above avg. amount of oil.
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But Vern, remember that your ball speed also comes into play and unless you've changed since we last practiced together, neither (edited, oops!) yours (nor mine) was very high. (edited, oops!)

That's why I used many pearls and polished solids. That plus my 20 degrees of tilt. Inverted has nothing to do with that. Lower ball speeds need much less surface.
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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2009, 08:37:02 PM »
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You have another post where you say you do not use a thumb,if that is the case I have a hard time thinking anything you drill will mimmick that video.


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Re: Is it possible to be inverted with ....
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2009, 08:41:12 PM »
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You have another post where you say you do not use a thumb,if that is the case I have a hard time thinking anything you drill will mimmick that video.


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definitely wrong topic
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