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Looking at the arrows
« on: January 26, 2009, 05:53:27 AM »
Any tips on doing this? I know people target different spots, but please don't suggest that I do something different, just looking for tips from people that look at the arrows. Right now, I'm kind of like Malott in that I look straight down when I release it. My problem with the arrows has been focusing. When I try to focus on an arrow, it's like my eyes automatically look away. Another thing that tends to happen is that my ball speed is too fast. Even when I try looking at the dots (the ones past the foul line), my speed is too fast (compared to when I look straight down). Any suggestions?

 

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Re: Looking at the arrows
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 02:01:08 PM »
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My problem with the arrows has been focusing. When I try to focus on an arrow, it's like my eyes automatically look away.
Is it possible you're trying to focus too much?  Your armswing should be second nature after doing it for so long now -- you're going to throw the ball in basically the same direction every time.  There used to be a great video on Storm's website with Eric Forkel talking about this (the video disappeared when Storm redid the website layout) -- he recommended a practice drill of closing your eyes right after you get to the top of the backswing.  He said you'll find you actually come very close to hitting your target even if you aren't looking at it, simply from the natural repetition your approach and armswing create.  Focus less on specifically hitting a board and focus more on getting the ball out to an area on the lane.  As for the speed thing?  I have a big problem with being speed dominant myself, so I'm not even going to attempt to help you with that one!!  

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Re: Looking at the arrows
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 02:06:11 PM »
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Any tips on doing this? I know people target different spots, but please don't suggest that I do something different, just looking for tips from people that look at the arrows. Right now, I'm kind of like Malott in that I look straight down when I release it. My problem with the arrows has been focusing. When I try to focus on an arrow, it's like my eyes automatically look away. Another thing that tends to happen is that my ball speed is too fast. Even when I try looking at the dots (the ones past the foul line), my speed is too fast (compared to when I look straight down). Any suggestions?

My targeting system is almost identical to Malott.  I never understood how people looked at the arrows while throwing the ball.  I tried but it feels unnatural.  I will look down the lane at a spot, then at the arrows, and create an imaginary line where I release it.  If I am on a harder shot, I will look at the dots before the arrows which seems more natural to me.

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Re: Looking at the arrows
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 02:10:15 PM »
This article of Ron Clifton's mainly talks about break points and targeting but it's good.  http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/btm01_files/btm1.htm
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Re: Looking at the arrows
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 04:46:13 PM »
I tried numerous targeting points.  Where I want the ball to be at the breakpoint, arrow, dots, foul line.  Hell I've even tried looking at nothing at all and just go by feel.  Out of all of those, the only thing that does work for me is looking at the arrows(or whatever board next to them).  After I get myself set, I'll look at my target for about 2 seconds and I'll keep my eye on that same spot until the ball gets there.

After that, I'll watch the ball's movement as it gets to the pins.
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Re: Looking at the arrows
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 04:53:40 PM »
try to aim at the arrow but more at the boards.  This way I can move my target closer or farther from me to increase ball speed.
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Re: Looking at the arrows
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 05:33:57 PM »
Bowling coach Joe Slowinski has something called the "Quiet Eye" system that I've found works really well to help visualize the ball path and also keep a steady eye on your final target (which for me, is usually the arrows).

I may have modified his approach somewhat, but it's basically to look in one spot for two seconds (around the 6-pin if right handed with a final target of around the second arrow), then another spot for two seconds (I choose a mark halfway between the 6-pin and the second arrows -- which typically works out to my breakpoint) and then my primary target for two seconds (the second arrow, in most cases).

As you move your target at the arrows, you'll also move the other two targets. For instance, if you're playing third arrow, your first target might be the outer two-thirds of the 3-pin. This article ran in Bowling This Month magazine and is nothing short of a breakthrough for me.

I don't know how he came up with the 6-pin -- most people probably look at the pocket, then their arrow target -- but it works. What it does for me is program my brain not to cut off my swing too short and pull the ball. Since I've gone to "Quiet Eye" targeting, my average has increased about a pin per week for 5-6 weeks and I'm now projecting the ball better to the breakpoint. I pull the ball a lot less.

It also makes it easy to pick a breakpoint closer to me -- I just don't look at the 6-pin. I move my first target back to the breakpoint, my second target closer to the arrows, and then the arrows. If I want it to hook even sooner still, I just start at the arrows and finish with a closer target than that.

Simple, simple system -- and it works.

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Re: Looking at the arrows
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 05:52:32 PM »
If anybody has the recording of Wes Malott bowling this last Sunday. When the camera focus his face put it at slow motion and you will see how his focusing at a area down the lane and slowing makes a trace visualizing the shot all the way to the dots. Then looks down the lane and does another visualization of his shot and goes for his shot.

One thing that Mo Pinel said to me last year was to focus that my arm, hand and ball shot are directed towards the six pin and trust the ball. Together with this pointer and doing what on my own the same what thing Wes Malott does. I focus my shot on the dots which will be my rear sight and breakpoint towards the six pin that will be my front sight of my shot. I visualize my shot through the dots towards 6 pin twice and proceed with my release.

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Re: Looking at the arrows
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2009, 11:40:48 AM »
Im an arrow person. I'll focus o the arrow I want my ball to go over on release. If it goes there, 9 times out of 10 I'll throw a good shot. I look down the lane after the ball hits my mark to see how it goes down, then adjust perhaps speed, board at start, hook, etc. It all depends on what happens after it hits the mark. I don't look at an arrow on certain spares, depending on what it is.
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Re: Looking at the arrows
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2009, 11:56:54 AM »
I have also had this "Problem" in that somewhere between my third step and when I release the ball my eyes/mind seem to switch off and in effect I am focusing on nothing.

Like Dan mentioned Erik Forkel did a video where he said that such a thing could even be a good thing as your eyes can deceive you. When I bowl my body seems to correct itself a lot of the time when I do execute a shot properly. If I try to look at the arrows I am all over the place and it is the ONLY time you will ever see me throw a gutter ball.

The suggestion I have is first nail down consistency in the basics (Approach,Armswing,Release etc) and then concentrate on drawing an imaginary line you would like you ball to follow and then line yourself up so that as long as you execute the fundimentals properly you will be guaranteed to have your ball go where you want it.

Its all well and good trying to hit a board/arrow/spot or whatever but that is still not going to be enough if the rest of the things which contribute to whether the ball will go where you want it and how you want it (Speed,release,revs etc) are missing.

If you can remain reasonably accurate without looking at the arrows, I would not worry about it so much and would just focus on the other things which make up your game.
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I would have got away with it if it was not for those pesky kids (Behind my lane) and those blasted 10 pins.