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charlest

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point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:11:07 PM »
I'm in a new league and I'm just getting acclimated to some of its newer features.
I was last in this league about 8 -10 years ago.

It's a handicap, 5 man (no woman allowed; sad!) , match point league.
We're using a 100% of 250 for handicap. (no discussion, please; it is what it is.)
We use Kegel's Beaten Path oil pattern but we're not sport sanctioned. (Let's not get into that also.) I understand it's a 4:1 ratio.
We have people averaging from 162 to 240+.

Here's one of its interesting facets: scoring. (handicap based)
You win one point for each man beating his man per game.
You also win one point for each person's total wood or series. (I did the calculating last week. You have multiply each man's handicap x 3, add it to his total wood and compare it to his opposite's total. Lots of math.)

That's 3 points for all 3 games and 1 point for series. So each man can win 4 points per night.

Each game (total wood) is worth 3 points.

The total for all 3 games for all 5 men + handicap (I call it "total total wood";I suppose you could call it "team series".) is 6 points.

We lost 2 of the 3 games total wood.
We won series for 3 of the 5 men, AND our anchor doubled in the 10th frame of the 3rd game to win total total wood (or team series)  for our team.

So we won 20 points to their 15 points, while losing 2 of 3 games.

In a more normal scoring (2 points per game and 1 point total wood) we would have won 3 points; they would have won 4 points.

I never used a 35 point scoring system before. I thought this was interesting, in an odd way.
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Re: point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2012, 08:21:11 PM »
Sounds close to the Pederson system.
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Re: point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2012, 08:41:26 PM »
Sounds close to the Pederson system.

That just the Match point system, nothing like The Petersen Point System.

In the Match Point system each player bowls against the player opposite them in the opponent’s lineup. The points are awarded on an individual and team basis.

In Petersen Points usually, You get 1 point for every "Block" of 25, 50 or 100 pins of total scratch or handicap scores. The bonus is then calculated by taking the player's or team's total scores (scratch or handicap) and dividing it by the block size.

For example, if you used a 50 pin block and bowled a 575, it would be 11 points. (575 divided by 50= 11.5, with the fraction dropped).

Another variation of the Petersen point system, is where points are awarded for each "block" of pins scored. For examples, if the "block" is defined as 50 pins, and you shoot 575, you would receive 11 Petersen points. In addition, bonus points are awarded for victories. (A variation of this is where you don't drop the fraction.)

Example if you won 2 games (out of 3) plus series and 10 points were awarded for each victory, you would receive a total of 41 points for the evening. (20 points for the 2 games and 10 for the series. 11+20+10=41)

From Bowl.com
LOUIS PETERSEN
Chicago
Born: Sept. 23, 1883
Died: June 20, 1958
Inducted 1963

A scoring system and a bowling tournament have etched Petersen's name indelibly in the upper strata of bowling contributors. He started his famous Petersen Classic in 1921 and that event's popularity has grown each year. Petersen also originated the point system bearing his name. He also was a founder of the Bowling Proprietors Association of America in 1932 and a prime mover of high school bowling.
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Re: point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2012, 09:11:55 PM »
Good enough, I stand corrected.
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Re: point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2012, 09:38:19 PM »
We use a similar point system in a league I bowl in.

5 person team, handicap 80% of 220.

Head to head matches with handicap 1 point.
Team handicap total 5 points for a total of 10 points per game.

5 points for team totals with handicap. No points for individual matches handicap.

Total 35 points per night (10 per game X 3 plus 5 for totals).

We have 18 teams this year with probably 20 guys averaging over 220.

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Re: point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2012, 09:42:19 PM »
We do the same as Randy/PB.  I bowl 1 league 40 points difference being that we do give series  as individual w/ hdcp for the sum of 40.  It's 90% of 225.  10 teams of 5 w/ 1/2 the league at 200 and above.

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We use a similar point system in a league I bowl in.

5 person team, handicap 80% of 220.

Head to head matches with handicap 1 point.
Team handicap total 5 points for a total of 10 points per game.

5 points for team totals with handicap. No points for individual matches handicap.

Total 35 points per night (10 per game X 3 plus 5 for totals).

We have 18 teams this year with probably 20 guys averaging over 220.
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Re: point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2012, 09:49:47 PM »
Match play leagues are a lot of fun and create many challenges.

I prefer to bowl match play instead of the old 4 point system.  In match play, you can not hide a bad night because another bowler on your team had a great night and picked you up.

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Re: point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 04:17:36 AM »
We use a similar point system in a league I bowl in.

5 person team, handicap 80% of 220.

Head to head matches with handicap 1 point.
Team handicap total 5 points for a total of 10 points per game.

5 points for team totals with handicap. No points for individual matches handicap.

Total 35 points per night (10 per game X 3 plus 5 for totals).

We have 18 teams this year with probably 20 guys averaging over 220.

The theory, in the case of my league, behind having individual series match points was to reduce sandbagging. That was specifically stated during the league meeting just before the season started.
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Re: point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2012, 04:59:21 AM »
We use a similar point system in a league I bowl in.

5 person team, handicap 80% of 220.

Head to head matches with handicap 1 point.
Team handicap total 5 points for a total of 10 points per game.

5 points for team totals with handicap. No points for individual matches handicap.

Total 35 points per night (10 per game X 3 plus 5 for totals).

We have 18 teams this year with probably 20 guys averaging over 220.

The theory, in the case of my league, behind having individual series match points was to reduce sandbagging. That was specifically stated during the league meeting just before the season started.

It works, for the most part, because it holds every member of the team accountable for points. As stated above,  an individual who bags can't hide behind other big scores being shot. I personally like the system, just in my area, there are not scratch leagues. Guys talk BIG, but then you mention scratch or sport pattern and most run like all hell.
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Re: point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2012, 10:25:28 AM »
I don't have a problem with either method.

I prefer ours because it emphasis the team aspect a little more than individual performance.

We also have money for match points won and that helps keep the bagging down.

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Re: point system/scoring: an interesting system.
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2012, 11:36:17 AM »
Aloarjr810 .. as usual, great info, THANKS!
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