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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: JohnN on October 29, 2017, 09:25:11 AM
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Is there much of a difference in reaction from the 2 ? Lets say a polished Grudge solid and a Grudge Pearl ? That would be trying to polish the solid as close to the pearl out of box as possible.
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In my opinion, since surface dictates length, if the two are finished the same then the differences would be subtle, and maybe difficult to distinguish with the eyes.
Having said that, both balls might have different cores, which can affect how angular (or other differences) the two balls may appear once they find friction.
With the advent of Throbot and C.A.T.S. we have ways to distinguish the subtle differences better, but to the average guy bowling league on the house shot those differences grow smaller. Just my .02.
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Is there much of a difference in reaction from the 2 ? Lets say a polished Grudge solid and a Grudge Pearl ? That would be trying to polish the solid as close to the pearl out of box as possible.
There are those that say there is no difference between Solids, Hybrids and Pearl except surface texture.
Example:
It's not a coincidence that solids come with a lot of surface, and pearls come with polish. It's done intentionally to encourage bowlers to buy two (or three) versions of the same ball because they don't understand that they really are the same. Marketing!
But this on the other hand is still debatable.
It's assuming that both versions of a balls coverstock (Solid & Pearl) are made exactly the same, with the only difference being surface texture.
Pearls typically have a additive to the base resin that make them pearls, Either liquid pearl (mother of pearl) which tends to add length or powdered pearl which affects the shape of the breakpoint.
If there's a additive to the base resin of one ball such as these, then they are no longer exactly same cover as the solid.
In other discussions of this I've read over time, Given those additives most seem to agree that if you use the same surface texture on both the pearl and the solid, the pearl will still go longer (given the same drill pattern etc. are used).
Basically IMO
you can take a Pearl and sand it and yes make it act more like a solid, But you can't polish a solid and turn it totally into a pearl.
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Graffiti Tag was a polished solid and one of the flippiest balls I've ever thrown
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Graffiti Tag was a polished solid and one of the flippiest balls I've ever thrown
Topic: Polished solid vs pearl
How does it compare to the pearl version?
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In my opinion, since surface dictates length, if the two are finished the same then the differences would be subtle, and maybe difficult to distinguish with the eyes.
Having said that, both balls might have different cores, which can affect how angular (or other differences) the two balls may appear once they find friction.
With the advent of Throbot and C.A.T.S. we have ways to distinguish the subtle differences better, but to the average guy bowling league on the house shot those differences grow smaller. Just my .02.
Well said, surface is King....
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Graffiti Tag was a polished solid and one of the flippiest balls I've ever thrown
Topic: Polished solid vs pearl
How does it compare to the pearl version?
Tag Cannon is a touch earlier and stronger overall. Not as flippy
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Another factor is what I have heard called "chemical friction". The make up of the cover material itself may have more or less grip with the same surface finish - think glass vs rubber. This might explain why the solid tag can be more flippy than the pearl canon. I don't think solid, hybrid, pearl tells the whole story about a balls reaction shape.....
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Consider surface hardness vs just the thought of solid, hybrid, or pearlized.
Many but not all solid surface bowling balls that have a sanded finish usually have a softer surface and hold surface better. Many covers that come polished finished when sanded will shine up much faster and seem like they are a harder finish.
Same for many pearlized bowling balls. You can sand them and they roll great but the surface will shine up much faster. Harder surface finish. Harder surface, more length.
Sometimes it's easier for people to understand and process hardness vs solid, pearl, hybrid. Especially when they can all very on intended purpose.
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Another factor is what I have heard called "chemical friction". The make up of the cover material itself may have more or less grip with the same surface finish - think glass vs rubber. This might explain why the solid tag can be more flippy than the pearl canon. I don't think solid, hybrid, pearl tells the whole story about a balls reaction shape.....
yes. My point is a shiny solid can be flippy as well. Or a dull pearl, Red Mission/Reax Pearl/Jackal, can be smoother and effective.
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I have to disagree I have both tags drilled the same and I see more skid flip with the cannon I had to move in more with the cannon with the solid I can play a lil straighter ,the tags are very underrated I see using them both as a one two punch
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The original tag is also very condition specific from my experience; it seems it's a good fit for conditions with carrydown and fried backends.
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Ok, let me explain why I asked. I have been using solid coverstock sanded balls for many years now. Wasn't satisfied with reaction so decided to polish one of my older balls (Ruckus Feud) and kind of liked the reaction I got. I have a Grudge and have noticed the price on Grudge Pearls on ebay was reasonable. So would the difference between a polished Grudge and a Grudge pearl be all that different and worth the investment ?
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If you have a need for the grudge in your bag buy the pearl if you don't I'd polish it rather than have it sit around the garage.
The difference between the pearl and the solid if both are polished will be small but the difference between a polished one and a surfaces one will be large.
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Here's how I would look at it. If your Grudge has lots of games and you WANT a new ball then the Grudge Pearl makes perfect sense to me. If not, then keep up on the maintenance (oil extraction, resurfacing) and a Brunswick-poured ball can go for hundreds of games and still be effective.
When resurfacing, the more steps you take before polish (500, 1000, 2000) will add length and get closer to what the pearl would do on the lanes.
Sometimes we can OVER ANALYZE the differences between one ball and the next, and we're "splitting hairs" almost. Number ONE factor in ball motion is what the bowler does to the ball. That is why many of us play in a "zone" on the lanes regardless of what ball is in our hand. Second factor, as discussed here, is surface prep, since that is what's in contact with the lane... and so on.
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Another option - buy the second ball, then put a completely different surface on it. For example, ball 1 - 500 grit, ball 2 - 4000 grit. -- JohnP
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I rarely use the Grudge right now as I have a Cash and Guru Supreme which are very similar balls. I used the Grudge as an example because there is both a solid and pearl (and hybrid) version of it.
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Another option - buy the second ball, then put a completely different surface on it. For example, ball 1 - 500 grit, ball 2 - 4000 grit. -- JohnP
I rarely use the Grudge right now as I have a Cash and Guru Supreme which are very similar balls. I used the Grudge as an example because there is both a solid and pearl (and hybrid) version of it.
I can't agree more with the different surfaces. If you have the Cash and Guru Supreme, put different surfaces on them The Grudge should actually fit kinda in the middle of these. With my stats, I would use something like- 1000 on the cash - 2000 on the grudge and 3000 on the guru supreme. This would probably create some more separation between each of them.
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Or you can always drill two of the same ball with different drilling’s I have 2 absolute nirvanas one pin down and one pin up so u can have one for the heavy stuff than switch to the pin up one and have a similar look I also polished my pin up one so I can notice a big difference between the two but it also eliminated me from carrying so many balls and I rarely pull out my pearl unless I have to depending on what the lanes are looking like that night
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I rarely use the Grudge right now as I have a Cash and Guru Supreme which are very similar balls. I used the Grudge as an example because there is both a solid and pearl (and hybrid) version of it.
If that's the situation polish that ball up and get it on the lanes. Never any sense to leave something sitting around collecting dust.