Author Topic: Positive Axis Point Importance (Read 1800 times)

psychodad · « **on:** September 27, 2009, 03:32:29 PM »

I keep reading how important it is to drill you ball off your Positive Axis Point but how much difference will it really make if you don't. The reason I ask is I have bought a lot of used balls, as a lot of people do, and I usually just replace the finger grips and plug and redrill the thumb to my grip and span. So technically the ball was set up off someone else's PAP. By doing it this way am I really hurting my Ball reaction, or overall hook or does it really make that much difference. I appreciate any input you guys can give me on this.

No Revs00300 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 27, 2009, 11:38:13 PM »

It does matter quite a bit. I''m not going to go into much detail but if the ball is set up for someone else, the core will not be rotating properly for your release. over all ball motion and most likely carry will be crap depending on how different your pap''s are.

Edited on 9/27/2009 11:38 PM

jorr19 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:34:38 AM »

without drilling a ball for your pap how do you really know what reaction your going to get? one reason just redrilling someone elses layout appears to work is that most pro shops dont do a proper job of giving customers the layout they would have the most success with. they put the pin near the ring finger and kick out the mass bias and it works for a lot of people. the truth is house shots help cover up poor layout choices. the more consistant you get and the higher you average becomes the more important the right ball matchup is. if what your doing works for you then keep doing it. it does not work for me. you might find though that if you get a true arsenal of balls that are layed out based on your pap measurements you would improve your look on more shots and grow your game. also, for low rev players different surface friction is critical. too low a grit and you will flat 10 all day long. too high a grit and the ball wont read the breakpoint. good luck!
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #3 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:05:05 AM »

IMO, any bowler with some aspiration should know his/her basic "data": the PAP, ball speed and RPM. The PAP is of considerable value bevause it is not only THE valid personal reference point for the relative core position for ball setup, but also tells a bit about the player's release type (not necessarily about the style, like Stroker or Cranker, though).

I agree absolutely with Dave - know your PAP, and know how your balls are setup relatively to it. Only with this information you can IMO judge a ball's reaction and also build an arsenal, tuning your balls' recation to actually complement each other with different reaction shapes down the lane instead of "just hook".

Knowing your PAP is also a reliable benchmark when your balls react weird, and you have no clue, why. Chances are that your PAP shifted, and with it all balls' setup. In the worst case, the drillings become so far off that the balls do not work anymore - a friend of mine had a PAP shift from 5" over +/+0 to 4" over and +/-0. Not much, one would think, but all of his equipment with a strong layout (including a LevRG with just 10 games on the clock...) flared backwards or behaved as if with a pin axis setup, very early and arcing. Just because of the PAP shift, due to a changed release.
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nospareball · « **Reply #4 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:34:42 AM »

quote:
I keep reading how important it is to drill you ball off your Positive Axis Point but how much difference will it really make if you don't. The reason I ask is I have bought a lot of used balls, as a lot of people do, and I usually just replace the finger grips and plug and redrill the thumb to my grip and span. So technically the ball was set up off someone else's PAP. By doing it this way am I really hurting my Ball reaction, or overall hook or does it really make that much difference. I appreciate any input you guys can give me on this.

You should probably at least know your PAP location, so that when you do buy used balls you'll have an idea of what the Pin to PAP distance is going to be for you on that ball. Obviously if you're right handed you wouldn't want to buy a ball drilled for a lefty unless you plan on plugging the whole ball.

If you have a relatively "normal" PAP location (4.5" to 5.5" over) you'll find that most used stuff will work. A lot of people put pins around the ring finger, above or below, which can be a real strong layout if your PAP is closer to 4", or weaker if your PAP is closer to 5.5 or 6.

Just ask your driller to find you PAP, write it down and next time you go to buy a used ball take note of the pin location and approximate what the PIN to PAP is.
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BrunsNick · « **Reply #5 on:** September 28, 2009, 03:23:34 AM »

The biggest difference maker is with the customers with really low tracks. I have a guy that is 2 1/2 x 1 1/8up and he would have never fathomed seeing a 4 1/2" pin from PAP because of the physical pin location.
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psychodad · « **Reply #6 on:** September 28, 2009, 10:54:30 AM »

Thanks for all the responses, I really appreciate the input. I have been bowling for a number of years and have no clue what my PAP is. I'm going to head to my Pro Shop tomorrow to find out what it is and have my equipment checked. I have noticed that I am not getting the same reaction that I use to and thought this might be part of the problem. None of the balls I'm throwing now were drilled off my PAP. I had switched from 15 to 14 due to injury and bought used balls to see if I liked it. I didn't think dropping in weight would really have an effect on carry, so that might be part of the problem but until I have a ball drilled specifically off my PAP I won't know for sure.

Buzzhead · « **Reply #7 on:** September 28, 2009, 04:21:50 PM »

The only thing that happens if you plug redrill fingers on someone elses ball is that you cannot change the pap of this ball, it is set up wherever it was for them.. His pin position may have been 4" in relation to his PAP... but his pin position in relation to YOUR pap may only be 2". this is why, if you are going to throw used equipment without proper plugging, you should learn all you can about drilling.
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