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St. Louis - Holiday Doubles Tournament
« on: December 20, 2010, 12:08:17 AM »
What a tournament!!

Only 53 of the limited 72 teams completed. 1st place was supposed to be 3000 but it paid 2100. Redbird lanes is a small (24 lane) concrete bowling center that cracked with every strike and very loudly. So those that throw hard many strikes leave ringing in your ears. That in itself was AMAZING, INTIMIDATING and SHOCKING.

The talent of the bowlers that bowled was clearly at rung on the ladded better than me with a couple rungs for teams with Pete Weber and Jeff Carter (who finished in the top 3). Sean Quinn and his teammate won but they also make a living bowling desipite not touring players.

There were 13 300's (in 9 games of qualifying and 16 games of round robin matches) and 8 800 series. Not bad for only 106 bowlers. My partner and I averaged 231 for 9 games each (and we missed 10 spares, 5 of them 10 pins) and finished with +565 and missed the cut to +569 (4 pins). However, watching the competition we would not have had much fun bowling 16 games of matches against these bowlers.

My issue is, why in the world would Weber and Carter bowl against bowlers like us? Is the state of bowling that bad that these guys have to take "candy from a baby?" No disrespect to these guys, they ARE great!!! Many of us are house hacks, league bowlers or at best champions at levels less than the PBA National tour. I feel it is kinda like a top boxer showing up and boxing at the ameture level. What do they win $2000 and if they win they were supposed to. And if they dont, they appear more mortal and less godly. Weber came down to Memphis two weeks ago for a $5000 first doubles and finished 10th.
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Re: St. Louis - Holiday Doubles Tournament
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 08:22:02 AM »
Maybe they just flat out love to bowl competitively? They also represent Storm Products and visibility is a big plus.

Don't knock it: competitive bowling needs a measuring stick. Plus if the tournament operators don't want them playing, then they need to restrict them from the tournament.

Something that can happen in the next few years is if the PBA folds up, you may see these guys more and more in your backyard tournaments since they have no where to bowl.

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My issue is, why in the world would Weber and Carter bowl against bowlers like us? Is the state of bowling that bad that these guys have to take "candy from a baby?" No disrespect to these guys, they ARE great!!! Many of us are house hacks, league bowlers or at best champions at levels less than the PBA National tour. I feel it is kinda like a top boxer showing up and boxing at the ameture level. What do they win $2000 and if they win they were supposed to. And if they dont, they appear more mortal and less godly. Weber came down to Memphis two weeks ago for a $5000 first doubles and finished 10th.


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Re: St. Louis - Holiday Doubles Tournament
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 08:51:24 AM »
To clarify Weber partner with Eddie Byrd and Jeff Carter partner with Tom Adcock.  They finished second and third respectfully.
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Re: St. Louis - Holiday Doubles Tournament
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 10:21:05 AM »
So it sounds like both of them had good partners with tournament experience.

This post almost reminds of the issue that Chris Barnes had when he bowled the TNBA tournament in Dallas a few years ago. He won big bucks in the brackets and all of sudden no one wanted to bowl and TNBA changed their rules to prohibit PBA members from participating. An organization that prides itself on letting "anyone" bowl restricts someone because he is too good?

Bowlers want to strike and shoot honor scores and average as much as the big boys but run and hide when the big boys come to town. Sad commentary on the state of the game.

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To clarify Weber partner with Eddie Byrd and Jeff Carter partner with Tom Adcock.  They finished second and third respectfully.
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Re: St. Louis - Holiday Doubles Tournament
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 02:08:06 PM »
BigMike, you bring up a couple good points. Competition and marketing. Yeah it was cool seeing Carters storm vehicle in the parking lot and both Weber and Carter sporting Storm shirts. And I guess, it was competition between between them who would finish higher. And yes, the fact is that Weber and Carter did not win while Quinn did.

But was it really a competition? I mean does it really count and is respected that the stacked teams do well? Lets see the last league average for Carter, 261... Pete Weber 244, Tom Adcock 244 and unknown... thats looks like over 500 per team... hmmm... thats competion against 450 teams as amatures. Sure I could not have bowled, and that would have made 52 teams and then all the others too and soon enough it would have been a pot game match.

 If they just wanted to compete, let them bowl and not pay into the prize fund or collect any winnings. Let the amatures bowl for the prizes. That might be a better way to also spread the marketing. I mean, these guys get free equipment... I paid 125 per ball (at 9 balls). They get the top of the line coaching and ball layout understanding (with Storm), I just returned from Kegel a month ago ($500 for a day of training... did me good!!!). I pay for practice, they get it free. How does this make me feel when I consider marketing?

 I am not really complaining about them bowling as much as I concerned about the state of bowling that would compell them to bowl. The WSOB just finished. They make what 40K per year guarenteed plus endoresments? Do they have to bowl and take amature money to survive? Or is it really they just want to bowl and there was nothing else to bowl in? I love these guys and love watching them. I am just trying to wrap my head around this idea that I am competing against these guys for a reason and trying to understand that reason. I know Carter posts here and would love to hear his response.



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