Author Topic: Practicing on another lane DURING league (Read 11852 times)

DanH78 · « **on:** April 01, 2012, 12:34:29 PM »

The other nite, a guy on the team we were bowling was having a rough time. Towards the end of the third game, he gets a lane and starts "practicing" in between his turn. People started bitching, and since I'm also the league secretary, I tried to find a rule about it. Couldn't find one. Obviously, I know you shouldn't do it, but as long as you are back on your lane when it's your turn, is there any USBC rule against it?

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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #1 on:** April 01, 2012, 01:10:20 PM »

Interesting! I don't have the USBC rule book but I doubt there is any rule against bowling open at the same time as bowling in a league .. my guess that the rules maker didn't think it was possible!! Now that you have experienced it .. and the player hasn't missed his turn .. I don't see why the fool can't do it if he pays for it! Curious to know if it helped him scoring?

« **Reply #2 on:** April 01, 2012, 01:11:24 PM »

Now THAT'S a first for me, too. I cannot think of any rule against it. That makes me want to check out of curiosity though.

ON EDIT: After scanning through the rule book I still did not see anything to address that situation. I would suggest that your league should adopt their own rule on the subject. League rules should take precedence over USBC rules where there is no rule.A simple majority rule from team captains would work.

This may get worse and worse if not addressed. For example, Bowler A sees that it helped Bowler B to practice, so he gets a lane. Pretty soon you have several bowlers doing it... Delays, frustration by the other league bowlers, etc. What if your practice bowler's ball doesn't return and everyone has to wait for the mechanic to return the ball from the "other lane"? Good luck.

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Edited by notclay on 4/1/2012 at 11:38 AM

Xx 12 X 300 xX · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2012, 01:25:02 PM »

I've bowled 2 leagues at the same time. Not on purpose but its has happened. 1st shift lane problems and had to stay later. 2nd shift league started and I also bowled in that league. Just used different balls on both of the pairs.

Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #4 on:** April 01, 2012, 03:00:04 PM »

No USBC rule against it. Just league bowlers getting bent about something that doesn't affect their own bowling. It breaks just about every social rule I can think of about bowling with a team but doesn't break any one that pertains to bowling.

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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2012, 03:37:34 PM »

Personally I don't see any difference between this ad the guy bringing 5 balls to league until he finds one that works. If there's an open lane and he not interfering with anything, why not? The oil pattern is probably different or the use it gets is different, and he won't be playing the same as the league lanes. If someone thinks it's an unfair advantage, he can do the same.

If the practice bowler is late for his turn, the league should have rules about this. I have seen this more and more, especially with the no smoking in the center rules. If his ball gets stuck, he should report to his assigned lane to bowl with any other ball. If he's not ready to bowl, his team should either move the arrows to the next bowler or he gets a zero for the first ball or for the frame, whatever league rule is appropriate.

notclay wrote on 4/1/2012 11:11 AM:
Now THAT'S a first for me, too. I cannot think of any rule against it. That makes me want to check out of curiosity though.

ON EDIT: After scanning through the rule book I still did not see anything to address that situation. I would suggest that your league should adopt their own rule on the subject. League rules should take precedence over USBC rules where there is no rule.A simple majority rule from team captains would work.

This may get worse and worse if not addressed. For example, Bowler A sees that it helped Bowler B to practice, so he gets a lane. Pretty soon you have several bowlers doing it... Delays, frustration by the other league bowlers, etc. What if your practice bowler's ball doesn't return and everyone has to wait for the mechanic to return the ball from the "other lane"? Good luck.

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Allstar Lanes
Brunswick Regional Staff

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

Edited by notclay on 4/1/2012 at 11:38 AM

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« **Reply #6 on:** April 01, 2012, 03:46:04 PM »

It may be to his own disadvantage anyway. On my second shift league, when I'm making moves all the time, I like to see what and where the other bowlers are playing so I can anticipate the transition better. You can't do that while bowling elsewhere. On fresh conditions maybe the moves are more predictable depending on how well the shot holds up, but I still prefer watching the other ball reactions as a hint where I should go with the line.

I agree that it may not be a big issue if only one bowler does it, but just wait till several others use it as an excuse and start the same thing. It sends the message that "to heck with teammates or camaraderie with other league members. I am more important."

I bowl a 5 man team league on Mondays with the wife and family. The pace is horrendously slow and it drives me nuts. The thought of going to another lane to practice has never entered my mind (until now). I view it as a challenge to overcome. Sometimes my thumbs swells due to the slow pace. Sometimes I yawn 15 times between frames, but it's just another challenge to work on until the league ends (mercifully).

Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah

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Brunswick Regional Staff

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

BrianCRX90 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 01, 2012, 04:09:55 PM »

You said he was having a rough time so assuming that means bowling wise. It's in the third game. In other words, your night is almost over so ignore it. He's a league member and if he's paying for it or using passes, it's not a big deal if he's on time when it's his turn to bowl. Hell, I've bowled on two leagues at a time. Is that against any rules? One league which I've bowled on for 15 years at times couldn't get done when my late night league started so had to use two different balls on two separate pairs often far apart from each other and be on time for both.

Now if we are talking about some open house bowlers on the adjacent lane then that is a house issue and that should never happen. My house has though got to be such cheapskates they are no longer giving pair courtesies and only have one lane closed.

trash heap · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2012, 12:08:14 PM »

Agree. Make a league rule. I think the bowler showed poor sportsmanship by having an open lane to practice while competing on another set of lanes at the same time. It doesn't matter if he was back in time to throw. No other sport would allow this. If you are competing you work at your struggles on the lanes you are bowling on.

Brings up another question. What do you think of this scenario. A guy coming in early before league and bowls 2 to 3 games on the pair he was going to bowl on that night. The lanes were already oiled. There is no USBC rule against it, but you definitely see an issue with it. I think its wrong, but can a league place any rule on this scenario?

notclay wrote on 4/1/2012 11:11 AM:

. I would suggest that your league should adopt their own rule on the subject. League rules should take precedence over USBC rules where there is no rule.A simple majority rule from team captains would work.

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2012, 12:39:07 PM »

Trash .. I would expect the Center to honor the league by not allowing bowler on lanes that have been prepared for League. If it's a necessity (and I don't know why) the Center should assure that a bowler who will be in the expected League DOES NOT bowl on his League assigned lanes. My feeling is that this is THE CENTERS RESPONSIBILITY!

Xx 12 X 300 xX · « **Reply #10 on:** April 02, 2012, 12:41:01 PM »

It's either a social fun time out or its a sporting compitition. You can't have it both ways anymore. If your in the camp that bowling is a fun and social time out, than who cares what anyone does before, or during league on the lanes or adjacent lanes.

Most people say this is a "FUN" and social time out, and not a sporting event. If that's so, just forget about it and move on.

You can't have it both ways. We as bowlers either need to treat the game as a sport, and make rules that reflect a sport or we just keep it as a social, fun activity. If its activity than anything goes.

JohnP · « **Reply #11 on:** April 02, 2012, 01:16:20 PM »

"Brings up another question. What do you think of this scenario. A guy coming in early before league and bowls 2 to 3 games on the pair he was going to bowl on that night. The lanes were already oiled. There is no USBC rule against it, but you definitely see an issue with it. I think its wrong, but can a league place any rule on this scenario?"

IMO, as long as everyone can bowl on their lanes before competition if they so choose, it's fair. I suppose the league could make a rule prohibiting it, but then you'd run into the problem of bowlers practicing on lanes that will be used by other teams and affecting their pattern. I can't imagine a house allowing a league to prohibit all bowling on their lanes between oiling and start of league. -- JohnP

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #12 on:** April 02, 2012, 01:25:51 PM »

Mr reference is as a competitive golfer.

In stroke play if you practice your putting after finishing a hole you get penalties(or disqualification!, I forget).

In Match play one can practice putting after finishing a hole.

However, the obvious advantage if the shot is similar is evident. If not illegal should be!

Regards,

Luckylefty

It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

Edited by LuckyLefty on 4/4/2012 at 5:10 AM

SuperShooter · « **Reply #13 on:** April 02, 2012, 02:39:10 PM »

I think you are being petty.

Pinbuster · « **Reply #14 on:** April 02, 2012, 03:02:59 PM »

I"m not aware of a rule against it.

But it doesn't pass my smell test.

Author Topic: Practicing on another lane DURING league (Read 11852 times)

DanH78

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