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Ken De Beasto

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Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« on: April 21, 2017, 03:59:30 AM »
Does anyone know if there is a rule against prebowl/postbowl for position round week? My team headed into next week for second half champs and the other team decides they gonna pre bowl it. I find it bullcrap but our league rules says nothing about pre bowling position rounds smh. Most moral people knows you don't pre bowl position rounds.
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2017, 06:27:18 PM »
Just curious. What was their reason for needing to prebowl?
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2017, 06:53:32 PM »
By chance is Robert Mushtare the anchor bowler on this team?  :)
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Ken De Beasto

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2017, 08:39:03 PM »
Quote from: Gill Man on April 22, 2017, 06:53:32 PM
By chance is Robert Mushtare the anchor bowler on this team?  :)

No Jesse sindle a very well known guy in the USBC scene. Rerated 220 always some drama with that guy.
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Ken De Beasto

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2017, 08:46:36 PM »
Quote from: Bowler19525 on April 22, 2017, 01:59:10 PM
Quote from: Ken De Beasto on April 22, 2017, 01:29:35 PM
Quote from: giddyupddp on April 22, 2017, 12:25:42 PM
A 800 & 300 in a prebowl, I would agree that's BS
Sounds like a serious league if you have guys that shoot like that and it has no rules against prebowling and especially for position round. Hope the best for you with the association but doubt you will have any success. I would be looking for a new league for next season.

No need to look its the best league we have my team and pretty much all the teams agree to vote them off our league next year. We all know the moral thing to do is show up on position round even they know. But just because it's not on paper they want to take advantage.

So the league erred by not establishing a no prebowl for position rounds rule (except as allowed by USBC), a team does nothing wrong, and you are going to tell them to leave?

Did anyone ask the center if there were any manual score changes during the prebowl session?  If there were no score changes recorded it is possible the prebowl was clean.  If they overrode any more than 2 or 3 frames that could signal an issue.

The association isn't going to find in your favor based on a morality argument.  The team that prebowled doesn't appear to have violated any league rules.  Next year solve the problems by amending the league's by-laws, not punishing and alienating bowlers who didn't break any league rules.

No alienating going on here its a notorious team that many ball reviews members know of doing shady stuff and what's wrong with  kicking someone off for doing something morally wrong? If I made love to your girl friend and we were friends you would not alienate me??
« Last Edit: April 22, 2017, 09:48:32 PM by Ken De Beasto »
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2017, 09:26:11 PM »
LOL! You must bowl in elk grove if Jessie is involved.
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2017, 02:08:00 AM »
As soon as I read this, I suspected it was Swindle.  If he is involve, no doubt it was cheating. The piece of sh*t doesn't  know how to be anything else.


Every league should kick him out just because of how much of a dirt bag he is. Sorry, xrayjay just my personal opinion from having dealt with him multiple times.
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2017, 01:10:47 PM »

Okay.. if no league officer is there, and a 300/800 was bowled, how is the league, let alone the USBC going to verify that it indeed happened? ask the house?

This is why I asked about a league officer being there, and I'm surprised that the league would not have any such rule on their books regarding this.

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2017, 01:37:35 PM »
Quote from: bradl on April 24, 2017, 01:10:47 PM

Okay.. if no league officer is there, and a 300/800 was bowled, how is the league, let alone the USBC going to verify that it indeed happened? ask the house?

USBC changed the rules awhile back, You can't earn 300/800 awards while pre or post bowling unopposed. So it wouldn't matter if a officer was there or not.


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This is why I asked about a league officer being there, and I'm surprised that the league would not have any such rule on their books regarding this.

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As for leagues having a officer there to observe, it's been years since I've seen any league have that requirement.
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2017, 01:51:02 PM »
Quote from: Aloarjr810 on April 24, 2017, 01:37:35 PM
Quote from: bradl on April 24, 2017, 01:10:47 PM

Okay.. if no league officer is there, and a 300/800 was bowled, how is the league, let alone the USBC going to verify that it indeed happened? ask the house?

USBC changed the rules awhile back, You can't earn 300/800 awards while pre or post bowling unopposed. So it wouldn't matter if a officer was there or not.

That's good to know, but sucks for that bowler.

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This is why I asked about a league officer being there, and I'm surprised that the league would not have any such rule on their books regarding this.

BL.

As for leagues having a officer there to observe, it's been years since I've seen any league have that requirement.

One of the leagues I was in approximately 5 years ago had that requirement.

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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2017, 11:29:45 AM »
I would contact USBC and find out what it takes to have this guy expelled from the USBC, that way everyone will know that this guy is not to be trusted.
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2017, 03:16:12 PM »
Quote from: Rileybowler on April 25, 2017, 11:29:45 AM
I would contact USBC and find out what it takes to have this guy expelled from the USBC, that way everyone will know that this guy is not to be trusted.
Quote from: Rileybowler on April 25, 2017, 11:29:45 AM
I would contact USBC and find out what it takes to have this guy expelled from the USBC, that way everyone will know that this guy is not to be trusted.

Cause our local association doesn't care about what he does. I had a friend on the board who triex to do something about it. He was told to drop it and then was voted out.
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2017, 10:18:26 AM »
Quote from: bltbyj on April 25, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
Cause our local association doesn't care about what he does.

Why?

Quote from: bltbyj on April 25, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
He was told to drop it and then was voted out.

Why?
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2017, 11:14:40 AM »
Perhaps Swindel has naked photo's of the board members?  :o

Quote from: Good Times Good Times on April 26, 2017, 10:18:26 AM
Quote from: bltbyj on April 25, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
Cause our local association doesn't care about what he does.

Why?

Quote from: bltbyj on April 25, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
He was told to drop it and then was voted out.

Why?
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2017, 12:23:53 PM »
The plot thickens.......

Quote from: milorafferty on April 26, 2017, 11:14:40 AM
Perhaps Swindel has naked photo's of the board members?  :o

Quote from: Good Times Good Times on April 26, 2017, 10:18:26 AM
Quote from: bltbyj on April 25, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
Cause our local association doesn't care about what he does.

Why?

Quote from: bltbyj on April 25, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
He was told to drop it and then was voted out.

Why?
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Re: Prebowl/post bowl on position round for second half championship
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2017, 01:15:29 PM »
We had a Mexican-American tournament series and 'ol Swindle would max out in Handicap AND scratch brackets, high game pot, series etc. The tournament made a large portion of its revenue on the cut of brackets and side pots, so Swindle was a benefit to them and they just turned their head. Not sure if that crap still happens as I refuse to bowl it anymore.

He tried the same thing with TNBA, but they put a stop to it right off.

Quote from: Good Times Good Times on April 26, 2017, 12:23:53 PM
The plot thickens.......

Quote from: milorafferty on April 26, 2017, 11:14:40 AM
Perhaps Swindel has naked photo's of the board members?  :o

Quote from: Good Times Good Times on April 26, 2017, 10:18:26 AM
Quote from: bltbyj on April 25, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
Cause our local association doesn't care about what he does.

Why?

Quote from: bltbyj on April 25, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
He was told to drop it and then was voted out.

Why?
« Last Edit: April 26, 2017, 01:23:17 PM by milorafferty »
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