We recently clinched one of four roll off spots in out scratch league and I'm curious as to what kind of prize fund we have to look forward to.

Prize fund is roughly $11 of the weekly lineage and there are 15 teams with 5 people per team.  This would equate to about 26,400 as the year end prize fund.  There is also a .50 cent penalty for bowling 20 pins under your average, so this buffs the fund slightly.

It's fairly competitive, so I'm guessing the difference in payouts will be higher accordingly.  Anybody ever been in a similarly sized league/prize fund and remember what the payouts were like?

We are guaranteed at least 4th at this point.

RM, I understand the difference between the 70% and 75% values.  The more money in the league, the larger the difference in allotted money the 5% represents. 

Maybe my issue has more to do with my league's prize fund offerings and not so much yours.  But the two offers you have are not what I would call significantly different.  Especially if what you say about place amounts being somewhat set. 

I am trying to locate my league's offers to show what I am referring to.  As an example, if you assume the first place team gets one first place team award (game or series), the the offers only had a difference of $10 per person.  That represents the spectrum of the prize funds.  That to me is ridiculous.

It is my understanding the actual payout amounts must be included in the prize funds when voted upon.  I would never accept percentages as you have shown as a prize fund.  Too much is unknown.

In his defense Joe, your original comment made is sound like you thought the league officers were responsible of "making up" any monies lost due to teams/individuals quitting.  Your new statement clarifies what I am sure all bowlers feel is required.

JOE — How about this . . .

Revision of your statement: "No one can predict changes (teams or individuals leaving) and it is always necessary for the Secretary (officers) to enhance ADJUST the prize Fund accordingly at seasons end!" Because I already covered this issue, I became confused as to your meaning.

Also, I apologize—to all—for my own poor wording in not being specific about the percentages. Indeed, projected actual dollar amounts were shown to the membership, and they were subject membership approval plus the above noted adjustments at the season's end.

I did not include the actual figures because every league is different; therefore, using the percentages was more relevant should anyone want to make comparisons between my league and their own — which, as I suggested, would be easier to calculate and compare using their own spreadsheet and their own league statisitcs.

What would be totally meaningless is for someone to demand seeing actual prize fund disbursements exclusively in dollar amounts! This is because doing so ignores fees and costs. For example, lets say BOWLER IGNORAMUS boasts that his team gets a whopping $5,000 for taking 1st Place, so he belittles BOWLER PEEWEE, who comes up short with his team's $1500 1st Place award. THIS MEANS NOTHING because it's unknown how much they are paying per week, nor what their respective lineage fees are. It could well turn out that PEEWEE is getting a lot more bang for his buck than IGNORAMUS. So, for actual comparison purposes, until IGNORAMUS figures out his own return percentages, he's really got nothing but a bowl of limp noodles against the hard facts that percentages represent.

Are we on the same page now? I hope so.

Thanks, RM.  I enjoy reading the argument.  I know I can ask, but I was also curious about what other people were seeing around their leagues.

I'll sit back and enjoy.

Revision of your statement: "No one can predict changes (teams or individuals leaving) and it is always necessary for the Secretary (officers) to enhance ADJUST the prize Fund accordingly at seasons end!" Because I already covered this issue, I became confused as to your meaning.

WOW!