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abcarr

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Pro Pin Ball
« on: February 22, 2016, 02:43:55 PM »
I know that this is a question that's probably been asked a hundred times, and from what I've read on the internet opinions vary but seem to have changed, meaning that more people see pro pin balls as useful.   And Storm says (and I know that they are just trying to sell bowling balls) that pro pin balls have "enhanced dynamics" and "increased versatility" which pretty much flies in the face of other stuff I've read that says that they are of limited use, have limited layout options and can only be used by high-rev players.   So what's the scoop? 

The reason I'm asking is that my son bought a NIB pro pin Sinister on eBay not realizing what "pro pin" means.  He hasn't got it yet so I don't know the exact specs, but now we're wondering if it's gonna be a 16lb paper weight, try to resell it or get it drilled.   

Opinions welcome!!   
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2016, 03:06:42 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone.

Longer the pin, gives the ball mote potential for flare? But there can be over flare?

Like a 1" pin would "potentially" flare less than a 3" pin
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2016, 03:16:20 PM »
From what I have seen, Pro Pin is Storm's terminology for a ball that is not first quality, meaning the pin is not perfectly aligned with the CG and mass bias.

A good pro shop should be able to do something with it to get it close to what you want it to do, but it may not be your most ideal layout.  I wouldn't worry about it ending up a total loss.
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2016, 03:21:38 PM »
I thought pro pin was over 5 inches between pin and cg.
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abcarr

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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2016, 03:32:03 PM »
Here's a link to what Storm says about pro pin balls;   http://www.ebay.com/gds/The-Truth-Behind-Pro-Pin-Bowling-Equipment-/10000000005801942/g.html   This was in reply to allegations that pro pin balls are seconds and of limited use.

In this link they say that they (pro pin balls) are "first quality ball",  that they are "great for specialized layouts and drilling options" and "potential for enhancing dynamic use of core positions".   
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2016, 08:32:34 PM »
Pro pin, funny you don't see any of the so called pros using them. It's just another term for second quality. Some companies use the terms seconds, X-out's, blems, pro pins and pro cgs.
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2016, 08:50:33 PM »
Pro pins are NOT second quality. The haywire are 1st and for a while we're only available to pros. Then companies started to open them to the public but atminimal amounts
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2016, 09:07:34 PM »
Quote from: Stormroto22 on February 22, 2016, 03:21:38 PM
I thought pro pin was over 5 inches between pin and cg.

this is my understanding as well on the definition of pro-pin
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2016, 10:30:14 PM »
Most definitions I've read refer to a pro pin ball as having a pin length of 5 inches or more but no more than 6 inches.  More than that and it is considered a second.
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2016, 02:03:47 AM »
He doesn't want to know the definition, he wants to if it's still able guys. LOL..y'all can't read

Sure the line blurred between 1st and 2nd quality.

My experience with long pins is neither good or bad....I'd prefer 3-4" pins.
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2016, 06:56:36 AM »
Longer pins favor higher Rev bowlers. I would say just drill it! I don't see it being a problem
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2016, 07:17:03 AM »
Pin to pap of the drilling Is what you're going to focus on for ball reaction along with what the actual ball is.

If you have a longer span, longer pins can leave you with pretty normal layout options. Its where the cg/static weight end up and how much you have to remove and where will affect reaction.

I have a Brunswick 2nd with an almost 6" pin and 2ozs top weight. The pin is just above the ring finger and the cg near the thumb with no weight hole needed because the top weight was low. If it had 3 plus ozs of top weight then a large weight hole would be needed.
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2016, 07:58:47 AM »
Quote from: Bowler19525 on February 22, 2016, 03:16:20 PM
From what I have seen, Pro Pin is Storm's terminology for a ball that is not first quality, meaning the pin is not perfectly aligned with the CG and mass bias.

This is Storms definition:
"PRO-PIN: A Pro-Pin is where the Pin distance from the CG is 5 – 6 ½” out. Although still categorized as a first quality ball it has limited drill options (see our Pro-Pin Drilling Options) that requires a certain type of bowler.

Please consult your pro shop professional before purchasing one of these balls. Anything more than 6 ½” would
be termed an X-Blem (second)."

Storm Manufacturing Definitions
https://www.stormbowling.com/pdf/SPI_Manufacturing_Definitions_3.19.pdf

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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2016, 08:47:42 PM »
He got the ball today and while I haven't seen it yet, the specs on the box says the pin is 5.5-6 inches (don't know the exact length) with a top weight of 2.28.  Guess we'll take it to league tomorrow and see what the drilled says.

Thanks for the replies....
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Re: Pro Pin Ball
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2016, 09:00:30 PM »
Pin up, weight hole possible down low. A lot depends on the bowlers span.
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