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Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« on: May 14, 2005, 11:03:32 PM »
Hey, I'm buying the shop I've worked at for the last couple years at the end of June, and I'm trying to do some homework.  The software we use right now is Pro Shop Coordinator, and I was wondering what everybody else uses.  The inventory is SERIOUSLY messed up, so I either need to clear it all and start over again, or simply buy new software.  However, if I do that, there's a couple thousand names and drill sheets I'd need to transfer, but I think it'd almost be worth it to straighten everything out.  

Also, I'm wanting to buy new ball "cups" that the crazy 8's fit into.  We have slats in the walls, and currently have iron "cups" that we can only fit smaller, plain looking 8's cards into.  

What kind of software to you all use to make up fliers?  My boss has some Microsoft program he uses to make his from scratch, but I was wondering if there was a specific kind of software designed for making fliers.  

One more thing, what kind of prices do you usually give your best customers?  I've got a small group of friends that are in there all the time, and I've already written up a list for a few of them of the prices I want to offer to only that select group of very frequent customers.  I wanted to know if I'm in effect slitting my own throat by really marking stuff down, or if I'm helping myself by allowing them to buy more stuff more often.  

And basically, if any of you have any words of wisdom for my first year, I'd appreciate it.  I've been pretty involved in the business for a while now, so I do know quite a few angles, but I just haven't been in the driver's seat yet, so to speak.  Any sales gimmicks that seem to work well, or that I should avoid, things other than discounts and good service that would draw people in, any special items other than specific bowling stuff (extras like interesting playing cards, shoelaces, socks, etc.).  You know, just anything that's worked for you.  Thanks!
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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2005, 12:38:38 PM »
Don't know much about the business, but make extra sure that the inventory is straight before you sign anything.  Nothing like paying for 20 balls that aren't there.  Also make sure that every piece of equipment - drill press, bits, resurfacing machine, hand tools... - are included in the transaction as well.
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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2005, 02:01:53 PM »
Oh yeah, there's no way possible he can go from the computer's list, and he knows it (besides the fact we barely have 20 balls in there, lol).  And don't worry, it'll ALL be included, right down to the pencil sharpener.
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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2005, 02:13:11 PM »
I bought a program off ebay, ICE, it is a wonderful inventory  management, point of sale, you name it, it has it. It's NOT a bowling program, but from a business stand point, it's one of the best I have seen in years. If I remember right it was $20.00 plus $4-$5 shipping.
I did have a bad file in the first one, called them and within 36 hours I had a new program.
I'm not sure if they are still in ebay, but they wrote programs for ebay, so they know what they're doing.

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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2005, 02:37:59 PM »
My shop uses "pro shop coordinator" as well.  I like the program and it serves our needs well.  The only issue I have with it is how some things were set up / what names they were put under.  My boss works the shop most days though so as longs as he knows where everything is it's o.k.  

Honestly, an inventory program will only be as good as the person who inputs the data and updates it.
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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2005, 09:24:38 PM »
When I had my shop my wife used peachtree for the inventory and it worked very well and you could access and print reports to show you trends in what sells. At the shop my friend owns he offers a 10% discount on balls/bags or shoes to bowlers that bowl in that center. I also used pro shop coordinator for drilling specs but it did seem to change the spans on all balls drilled for a customer if you made a fit change so i had to always make note of what we changed to hhave a reference. I also printed the drill chart for 1 ball and kept it in a filing cabinet so if the computer crashed i still had it available.
 As for ball cups for display , your ball distributer should have them available for a reasonable price. Your crazy 8's also can usually be printed from the ball companies website if needed
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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2005, 09:29:48 PM »
If all else fails, Microsoft Excel is a decent program for doing inventory.

On Edit: This is just my 2 cent's worth . . . I do not own a pro-shop, however, I hang out at the local shop. As for your discounted price, I'm not sure if it would be career suicide or not, but it does sound like a good idea, sort of like Frequent Flyer bonuses . . . Every however many balls, you get a free drilling, or something like that?
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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2005, 09:32:53 PM »
I'd like to respectfully suggest the following..........
 Make sure your assistant/second driller or whoever you are going to have help you when you're not there be as fully trained as you are.
 Also,do you have a favorite ball company or line you're going to stock up on?
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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2005, 03:11:52 AM »
Well, Hammy your entering into the journey that i just went through. My first year as an owner/operator. It has been a learning process.

Alot of items i've needed i've been able to barter with my services. IE trade someone something i need and i resurface a ball for them for free or our embroider guy we use we gave him new equipment for shirts making it a fair trade. We also gave away about 50% of our year's profits because we gave away alot of balls to raffles, and junior tournaments and leagues. Every tournament i went to this year i never walked in empty handed.

It's always helpful to associate yourself with your best most visable customers. People are followers if they see a bowler they respect and admire they often will go to the same shop as them. Sometimes greasing the palm of notable bowlers around you goes along way as in league presidents.

I wouldn't drop your pants too often even to frequent customers. Just give them a decent deal to atleast cover your costs and make something for the time and effort. Usually alot of times i will do the samething but i schedule them when i am not busy so i don't take away precious time from full paying customers.

But the best advice i can offer is....Never have a sale! I am dead serious! I don't have sales, i just make my prices usually 10 to 30 dollars lower than other proshops in my area and i give everyone the same price. and if the occasional individual askes if i have specials or sales i say the same answer" Nope, never happens here." Usually they ask why rather than just walk away. I reply well i don't want to flood the market around me and spoil future sales just to rush people into purchases. Usually that gets more respect as well rather than dropping your pants. Usually it dawns on people that everytime they go out and buy something and then realize days or weeks later it is now on special they feel some how ripped off that you didn't inform them or ask them to wait a little bit.

That's what is most important. Consistancy! Always have fair affordable pricing and give everyone a square deal.

Also about inventory control. one of the best methods is, stock what you need. not what you think you will need. if you are fortunate to have a well stocked distributor in reasonable distance remember they are just a call away.

Alot of times i will pick up items that are on special and i will offer them to my frequent customers because i can give them a better deal than normal, so they think they are getting a better deal but you still atleast don't cut out all of your bottom line.

Also what really made our shop a success was we financed many many people letting them place there purchase on layway or drill the ball and then let them agree to pay us a set amount for a period of time to pay off the ball in complete. Often this way people won't ask for a discount if you offer them financing as well. this maybe a risk your not willing to take with all your customers, but keep in mind if they bowl money leagues you can always nab them when there league is finishing and get them when there prize fund is paid out. This also ties into why we greased the palms of the league presidents so that in the case that we need to take someone's prize fund the league president will agree to that.


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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2005, 07:45:01 AM »
Thanks all, and especially to the Dude.  Thanks, it's gonna help a lot.  

What I'm basically doing for my select group of REALLY good customers (all six of them, they're also pretty good friends too) is cost plus $20 or $25, and giving them decent discounts on everything else.  Grips down a couple bucks, same with slugs, free polishing or sanding, etc.  

I was THINKING about trying to do a ball drawing myself.  Feature a brand new ball in a drawing, charge $5 to enter (minimum 30 entries), and hopefully I can give a ball away every week.  I would also then put that same ball on sale, because naturally the winner is going to tell everybody he knows about winning the ball, and they'll surely watch him throw it.  You know sometimes they'll have those buy 3 or 4, get one free deal when a new ball comes out, so if I could buy a case or two and go through them all in a month, that'd be great.  I can't decide if that would make ball sales go up or down though.  If somebody's already planning on buying a ball, but wins one, I make far less.  But on the other hand, if it makes people come in wanting one (especially because it's on sale), I could boost sales.  And hopefully it won't be just 30 entries every week, it'd be nice to have 100+.

We already do the league discount thing.  The prices are marked at retail, and we give them 15% off balls, bags, and shoes.  Our distributor is also pretty close, shipping is next day if we place the order before 5 p.m., so that's nice.  They have a bad tendency to send us the wrong stuff though, even with as clear as we try to be.  

Lol, it's a good idea, and I've thought of the financing thing myself, but with the kind of people around here, it'd NEVER work.  If they don't pay in full before they walk out of the shop with whatever they bought, we might as well kiss that money goodbye.  

I WILL run a few special sales, but I'll probably take your advice on not doing too much.  The discount already works well enough, cause if people already think they're getting a deal, there's no reason to ruin the profit margin, lol.  Plus, if they want a ball, they're gonna buy the ball, whining and complaining or not.  I wrote something up about treating the pro shop like a business, but some people don't seem to get it.  You wouldn't walk into a grocery store, get a bunch of stuff, and then offer them a price for it, they'd laugh at you.  AND, these same people who are asking me for a discount wouldn't even THINK about taking a pay cut themselves at work, they'd scream bloody murder, and probably sue.  

I DO agree with the consistency though.  My boss right now has a bad tendency to fluctuate depending on the mood he's in.  He hardly ever charges anyone the same price for the same thing twice, and I can't remember the last time he based a price on a ball, bag or shoes from the price on the wall.  

It's just a really fine line to walk between good customer service, and like you said, dropping my pants.  I really want to make sure stuff is done when I say it'll be done, and stuff will be here when I say it'll be here.  I don't want to go "oh, it'll be another day on your ball, I didn't have time to finish plugging it last night," or "it'll be another day on that ball you ordered, I didn't have a big enough order to qualify for the free shipping."  

It's also kinda hard sometimes because Rick Benoit lives here.  He'll be in during the summer, and people kinda hit him up for free or really discounted stuff.  Then they bring it into the shop to have us drill it . .  Anyway, thanks again.
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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2005, 07:50:03 AM »
Also, in response to nd300, my boss and I are going to kinda switch places.  He's gonna stay on to work a day or two every week during the transition, and when the men's state tournament rolls around (I think the team event is here), he'll be in to help me out with that too.  I'm also hoping to find somebody else I can train, just in case.  

I'm a diehard Storm guy, but the two big companies around here are Columbia and Brunswick (mostly because of Rick Benoit, lol).  We've got one or two Roto-Grip people, veeeery few Ebonite people, and one Track guy.  Hammer's got a decent following, but the other companies might as well not exist.
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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2005, 08:15:12 AM »
I’d stick with your software. Correcting the inventory shouldn’t be a big issue. I would assume a complete inventory would be done for the sale. Keeping accurate measurement data on the customers is the biggest thing it can do.

For any fliers we just used Microsoft Word or PrintShop Deluxe.

Software, signs, displays, etc isn’t really what you are selling. Service is the biggest thing. Whether you measure and fit properly. Are your dillings accurate. Do you complete your work when promised? Do you stand behind your products?  

Weigh and balance every ball before drilling and after.

Be there when your shop hours say you are open. Don’t close because you went to tournament, or fishing, or whatever. And your customers will want you not your $7 an hour flunky. If they wanted the flunky they could go to any proshop.

Fix a fair price and stick to it. Don’t give discounts. It just creates hard feelings that some get it and some don’t. As stated above sales create some of the same hard feelings. Don’t give away your services.

If a good ball is discontinued and you can get it cheap enough buy a bunch and then offer a good deal with you still making your normal profit.

Your less than 100 miles from major distributor, so carry a line of products that will cover everyone’s needs but don’t try to carry every product. If you don’t have a particular ball in stock you can get it in a day.

We carried all weights in a low price offering either from Columbia or Brunswick. The high price balls we might only stock a few and then only in 15 and 16 pound.

Carry 3 or 4 colors of plastic balls in all weights, 6 to 16 pound.

Keep plenty of inserts and slugs onhand. They are relatively cheap but a pain if you run out and it looks bad to the customer.



 

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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2005, 12:13:54 PM »
Usually i'd also recommend go to your distributor's trade show, and don't buy anything.... i'm serious. usually if you have a good relationship with them they will let you buy the items that were on special a few days later and still get in on the deal. But i would as stated buy inserts in bulk, if they have a special about buying 1000 or more inserts do it, it's worth the trouble.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2005, 02:39:20 PM »
Lol at the $7 an hour flunky, and ouch.  It was actually $7.50, and I was it for a year or so.  I REALLY do get that concept though, even now that I'm basically his equal, and honestly "the man" now this summer.  It's gonna be hard for a little while to step out of the shadow, even though I do most of the stuff behind the scenes.  If he sells them a ball, or gets one to plug and redrill, I do the drilling (most of the time) and the ballwork.  Unless he drills it on the spot with them watching, it's me doing it.  But he's the one they deal with, so he's the one that gets associated with stuff.  Sucks for me, cause he gets the credit, but I somehow manage to be the one there if a ball isn't done or if something hasn't been ordered yet, lol.  

Totally agree on the grips, nothing is more frustrating than when you're out of grips.  It's as small as somebody wanting a specific color and having to settle for something else, or not being able to have the same color slug as their grips.  

We can't really afford to stock the higher end bags and shoes, because of obvious reasons.  The high performance stuff is also too expensive to stock up on.  You can easily have a couple thousand bucks worth of one ball if you keep 3 or 4 of just 14, 15, and 16.  Even just one of those three weights adds up when you do that for a couple balls for each company.  

We do have one good thing going for us though, we don't really have any competition as far as other pro shops go.  There's a senior that does stuff out of his basement basically, but the seniors aren't that big of a "market," and there's another guy who runs a backdoor pro shop out of a center he manages.  These guys are terrible drillers though, and a lot of times we'll get "fix it" work.  They'll screw something up, and we'll fix it.  Makes us a lot more than actually selling something would, lol.  

No joke, here's a great story.  This lady had the center manager guy order her a ball and drill it.  This guy had some other woman that worked at the center throw the ball first when it was drilled to see how it'd react.  He didn't like it, so he plugged it and redrilled it before the lady that ordered it had even SEEN it, let alone tried it.  Naturally she didn't want it then, but the sad thing is that she still has her stuff done by this guy, lol.  That's the kind of people I have to deal with!  I think it'll be great though, more thanks for the advice.  Keep it coming, I love having stuff to think about!
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Re: Pro shop operators, I have some questions
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2005, 02:43:14 PM »


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