Post by: No Fear on May 03, 2005, 05:44:55 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on May 03, 2005, 01:52:37 PM
THEN we can all freak-out!!
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Post by: Ragnar on May 03, 2005, 02:04:07 PM
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Post by: Goof1073 on May 03, 2005, 02:05:05 PM
quote:Trust me...it goes beyond just pro shops. What about people that NIB balls stored away? What about the people that sell large quantities of Balls on Ebay? What about the distributors that have older equipement? This will touch a whole lot of people.
I think it unlikely that balls without the USBC logo will be declared illegal. And the USBC needs to make that clear. Or...see a disaster in the pro shops...
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Post by: DanH78 on May 03, 2005, 02:07:44 PM
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Um, didn't I read that balls we have today will be grandfathered in and legal? If that's true it makes more sense to me to buy a LOT of balls now.
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"To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." (Tacitus)
"If one tells the truth, one is sure sooner or later to be found out. " (Wilde)
The new rules will take effect, if approved, January 1, 2006. All balls manufactured and/or drilled before that date are grandfathered in UNTIL January 1, 2008.
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Post by: Pizzaguy on May 03, 2005, 02:08:10 PM
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Um, didn't I read that balls we have today will be grandfathered in and legal? If that's true it makes more sense to me to buy a LOT of balls now.
They are grandfathered in ONLY until 1/1/08.
If this rule passes, people will still bowl, they just won't sanction.
With particle balls and short oil, the ABC/USBC gave up the authority to rule the game years ago. It will be very difficult to get that authority back.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on May 03, 2005, 02:21:14 PM
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I think everyone needs to relax and wait to see what happens!!
Jeff has posted the most common sense statement among all the posts I have seen about this USBC Topic. Everyone needs to quit getting wound up and acting like a bunch of kids that didn't get their way and first wait and see what happens. All of the whinning and complaining you do isn't going to change what the USBC does at the present. Maybe the future, but not the present. Sorry everyone if this statement makes anyone mad at me as that isn't my intention. If I have abused anyone with this statement, let me know and I will delete this post.
I was just simply stating how I see it from where I sit.
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Post by: charlee323 on May 03, 2005, 02:40:03 PM
Post by: janderson on May 03, 2005, 02:47:08 PM
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I think everyone needs to relax and wait to see what happens!!
Jeff has posted the most common sense statement among all the posts I have seen about this USBC Topic. Everyone needs to quit getting wound up and acting like a bunch of kids that didn't get their way and first wait and see what happens. All of the whinning and complaining you do isn't going to change what the USBC does at the present. Maybe the future, but not the present. Sorry everyone if this statement makes anyone mad at me as that isn't my intention. If I have abused anyone with this statement, let me know and I will delete this post.
I was just simply stating how I see it from where I sit.
At the same time, you could write a letter containing constructive criticism to the USBC since they have requested feedback. This might be just a wild guess, but they've probably heard enough whining and throw it all on the junk heap.
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Post by: DanH78 on May 03, 2005, 02:55:30 PM
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At the same time, you could write a letter containing constructive criticism to the USBC since they have requested feedback. This might be just a wild guess, but they've probably heard enough whining and throw it all on the junk heap.
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A better place to start might be to find out which state and/or local representives will be making the trip to Florida. Express your concerns to them so they can pass it along during the open and organized forum. Part of their jobs as directors is to pass along our feelings and thoughts.
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Post by: Steven on May 03, 2005, 02:55:47 PM
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a. All balls will be required to be manufactured with the USBC logo and year made as of 1/1/06. The USBC ball logo must be a minimum of two (2) inches in diameter and be engraved in the same manner as any other logo on the ball. The USBC ball logo will not be the same USBC logo currently used on the ball boxes. We suggest the USBC ball logo be placed on the bottom of the ball. The USBC ball logo will be e-mailed to all ball manufacturers as soon as it is available.
If I interpret this correctly, it just says that balls being manufactured as of 1/1/06 require the logo. It implies that older balls that meet the CG drill specs will still be OK.
I don't like this whole thing, because it will have little impact on higher end scoring. However, it shouldn't cause bowlers to freak about getting new equipment. Just drill it according to the proposed standards, and it should be good to go for the life of the ball (or at least until another proposal hits the fan).
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Post by: BAPS_Eric on May 03, 2005, 02:57:06 PM
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Post by: Ishmael on May 03, 2005, 03:10:36 PM
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Most people get new equipment every two years anyways
I'm not sure who your "most people" are, but they sure aren't the same "most people" that I see. "Most people" around here are still using the same one ball that they bought 5 to 7 years ago, and they aren't going to be happy if they can't use it for the next 5 years.
Post by: Ragnar on May 03, 2005, 03:17:01 PM
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Most people get new equipment every two years anyways...
Welcome to the world. Where I bowl there about 8 - 10 of us who regularly buy equipment (and I buy most of mine used) out of about 300 association members. In league I see stuff that's 8 to 10 years old on a regular basis. Out of 10 balls on the rack on any given night, at least 6 are older than 2 years. So in the future please get facts straight on "most". Yes, most of us who post here probably get equipment on at least a 2 year interval, but for the vast majority of members, well let's just say "I don't think so."
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Post by: J_L_B on May 03, 2005, 04:21:57 PM
Simply write a letter or email to the USBC and let them know that if ANY of these rules pass, then you will simply not bowl a sanctioned league. If enough bowlers do this, they will get the hint and not push the issue.
By the way, in our letters or emails we should all suggest that making the pins heavier is an easier solution to the scoring pace, follwed closely by standardizing lane conditions.
Post by: J_L_B on May 03, 2005, 04:49:59 PM
I personally would rather see PBA lane conditions for all leagues, so that the average bowler will have some respect for what the Pros bowl on.
Post by: fishnic on May 03, 2005, 05:00:40 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on May 04, 2005, 01:09:17 PM
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So what to do with my 40 some odd ball collection? scrap heap?
Harry, no way can you throw 40 balls. Sell 39 of them or start a museum...lol
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Post by: DanH78 on May 04, 2005, 01:53:14 PM
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i still havnt gotten a response to my email that i sent 3 days ago....USBC is a joke
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Did you ever stop to think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, since this proposal was announced a week ago that you're not the only person emailing them? That the USBC is having to field tens of thousands, of emails, letters and phone calls from all across the country? You've had to wait a whole 3 days, wow. Exactly what makes you so special that an organization that serves MILLIONS should drop everything just to answer your question? Try patience.
Here's a thought, have you called your local association to express your concerns and to ask your questions?
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Post by: No Fear on May 04, 2005, 02:19:32 PM
Post by: EL on May 04, 2005, 03:06:26 PM
Post by: ozsweet on May 04, 2005, 04:38:07 PM
I am not an expert on the current management make-up of the USBC, but believe they need to bring in a chemist and engineer (physics person) to consult with.
As I said in another post, if MLB players use wood, why can't PBA (PGA for that matter) use plastic / urethane (wood for golf). For USBC leagues / tournaments, fine to use their rules. But, as others have said, you may see MORE non-sanctioned leagues.
PS - can everyone say "RIVAL ORGANIZATION"?
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Post by: FarFromPro on May 05, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
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Post by: JohnP on May 05, 2005, 04:15:26 PM
Post by: No Fear on May 05, 2005, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on May 05, 2005, 05:02:35 PM
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I know the USBC just made a proposal....BUT!!!!....This proposal shows their mindset(that's the scary part)....How can anyone with any sense blame the balls!!!!....If not does not make any difference if it is plastic,rubber or a resin ball...If the lane is dressed with oil in such a way to guide the ball to the pocket....This condition was illegal in the 1970's!!!!!....And I bowled in the 1970's & If I had the same Help with the oil pattern I would have averaged in the 220's along with thousands of others even with plastic & rubber balls....THE USBC PROPOSAL SHOWS THEY ARE A CLUELESS ORGANIZATION....I have emailed them & written them & bluntly told them MY VIEWS....PLEASE DO THE SAME FOR THE GOOD OF THE GAME!!!!!
Does anyone else wonder how the proposal was conceived? Seems like any real executive/management body would have formed a panel of players to attack the runaway scores (aka "lack of integrity") from at least the majority of major players... (Pin makers/Center MGRs/Ball manufacturers/oil makers/lanebed makers etc) and get everyone's input before an Official Letter was published... Some companies have to fold after blunders like this... Seems not well thought out to me... a waste of my dues paid. I wasn't expecting this after the big "merger."
However, I hope all this unnecessary "knee-jerk" discussion gets paid attention to... I just wanna bowl and know when I shoot 700+ or an honor score, I deserved it and when my opponent beats me... he outbowled me by repeating shots, making good line changes, hand position changes, speed changes, seeing the transition and yes, even good ball changes.
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Post by: bowling9883 on May 05, 2005, 07:11:05 PM
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Post by: AllAirForceTwice on May 05, 2005, 08:54:20 PM
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With all due respect, get a white dot out and try averaging 227 on the biggest wall you can find. The walls may graph bigger today, but the realistic margin of error they create is no bigger than what we got out of yellow dots on the walls of the 70's when you factor in the over under and roll out potential for most of us. The biggest impact on scoring in order has been the balls, the new lane machines with their stripping ability, and the generally better surfaces of synthetics vs old wood.
Edited on 5/5/2005 6:26 PM
Bob, I agree... I couldn't average 227 w/ a White Dot on a big wall at this time. But I know a lot of people that can't average even 200 with a top of the line ball in every line available either... As far as impact, let's not forgot double void or synthetic pins and oils that promote higher scoring paces... I think the USBC is in the right direction... I just feel they should have included more of the dynamics into the letter than their "label drills is the saving grace" mantra is all.
Post by: Re-Evolution on May 06, 2005, 12:42:06 PM
approx $4,000,000 based on 2.5 million members which is fairly accurate.
I don't think that they can afford to lose that many members and Brunswick has already spoke up to let us know that they do NOT support the CG, X-hole, and logo rules. Them being the largest bowling co in the world gives their statement some serious weight I would think.
Maybe if they go through we will have BBBC (Big B Bowling Congress) shortly after. That will give new meaning to the "Nacion". LOL
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Post by: TwoFourEightNineNine on May 06, 2005, 06:48:20 PM
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