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Title: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: komike on June 05, 2003, 03:18:31 AM
I have problems sliding on synthetic approaches which probably most people do. I have really quick feet and trying to slide on synthetics is killing my left knee. Anybody have any suggestions on how I could possibly slide better on these approaches? I use Dexter SST 6's and currently use the 8 sole which is not enough slide for most of the synthetic approaches I come across. I have tried using the 10 sole and although the slide is good I have problems with my 3rd step slipping. I have also tried using the Red heel but I tend to overslide since the heels are basically my brakes and the Red doesn't allow me to stop. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mike
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 05, 2003, 06:29:00 PM
I dont use Dexters so take this with a grain of salt.  On my old pair of Linds Exxxtras, I needed more slide for synthetics so I picked up one of those Master teflon soles, cut out a piece and glued it to an old 'puck' for the Exxxtras.  Tested it out and it gave me more slide, so I modified another one to give me the length of slide I desired.  You might be able to do the same with the Dexters if you have an old sole or one that you do not plan on using.

If you have the money, you might want to try the PBS shoes that there is already a topic about.  Do a search in the Forums for 'PBS'.  About $80 shipped.
They have some teflon pucks included in the optional puck kit.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: channel surfer on June 05, 2003, 09:30:19 PM
A sliding sock is your answer. They sell them in pro shops around here.. You can find them online too, but I dont remember the address. I dont think thier on any of the online pro shop sites though.
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Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Bogeyman on June 05, 2003, 09:54:43 PM
Komike

I took one of the heels that I was not going to use and found a shoe smith that glued a piece of gray leather to the heel to make it like the red slide heel. As far as slide it fits right in between the red and the #5. I has not solved all my problems with synthetic approaches but has helped a lot. My left leg don't bother me after bowling.

Rob
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: omegabowler on June 05, 2003, 10:25:34 PM
there is this Proshops that makes custom soles and heels. picked up a 3 piece package deal heels 1,3,5 and sole 8,9,10. these start at about a dexter h5 and 8 sole.

they move up in small increments and I love these things. I was about ready to scrap my Dexter because of that same reason. 1 combo slipped and the next lower stuck.
These ran about 100.00 and they are worth it. they are far more durable and the increment is finer. 10 soles and 11 heels. I will probable own them all at some time.

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Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Kevspins2 on June 05, 2003, 11:11:45 PM
you guys actually change your slides? I have never had to change my sst6's soles. They work great on both approaches I use a Brown #S2 and a Rippled #H2

Komike - I have friends that have bought a Tru-slide from me, it is made of teflon and provides a slick slide without loosing traction on your 3rd step.

Here is a link, http://www.bowling.com/display.asp?SKU=320
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Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Smash49 on June 06, 2003, 08:54:15 AM
Try this for the solution to synthetic approach problems.

www.bowlersslidesock.com

You can wear it on just about any kind of approach. It doesn't matter if it's slick or tacky.  Gives a consistent even slide no matter what the condition.  We have many customers that never take it off.  Many SASBA bowlers use it in different conditions all over the country.  In a different house every week.  If you can't find the SLSM Designs Bowler's Slide Sock at your local pro shop go to the website and order one shipped directly to your door.  Cost $7.95 plus $1 shipping and handling

Smash49

A totally different sock!

If you are using something else this sock will make you throw the others away.

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Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Constantine on June 06, 2003, 08:36:31 PM
FYI -- the #10 sole from Dexter is felt just like the slide sock that many have mentioned.

Komike,

I wear the #10 on sythetic approaches. It took me awhile to get used to stepping with my slide foot on my second step (4-step approach).  I bascially had to get less aggressive with that step which help my game because I tend to generate too much speed.

I've been meaning to try teflon on the #2 sole that I'll never use.  It sounds like a good option, I just haven't got around to trying it.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: DON DRAPER on June 06, 2003, 09:25:37 PM
i have a longer slide that most players so i really don't like synthetic approaches---they seem to be very tacky. i'll use the #10 slide sole and the red leather heel on my dexter sst 6's and sometimes i'll have to use a cut-off tube sock over the sole as well. an ideal set-up would be synthetic lanes with WOOD approaches.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 06, 2003, 10:28:05 PM
Presto, I hope you're kidding?
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Smash49 on June 06, 2003, 10:53:27 PM
Somebody will call rule 12 on Presto and then things will get crazy.  That stuff is very illegal and dangerous to other bowlers.  I know that I have seen people warning others during TCBA that they will call it.  That's all you need is to cost points and/or hurt someone.

Smash49
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Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: 10 In The Pit on June 06, 2003, 11:18:08 PM
Yep, there are several ways to compensate for sticky synthetic approaches.  For the Dexters, you have the #10 sole and red heel.  For Linds Exxxtras, you can go with the "fast" inserts and possibly a leather insert on the heel.  For everything else, there is always the teflon Tru-Slide patch, or the Master "Slide Glide" fabric overlay.  Also, you have the slide sock that Smash49 markets (which seems to be built much better than the other available slide socks out there).  And if the heel still proves to be too sticky, you can put on a partial leather overlay on the heel too.

Another option for the Linds Exxxtra is to make some homemade teflon inserts, using a Tru-Slide teflon pad and cutting it to size to fit the inserts.

If you don't have the variable sole and/or variable heel shoes, your quickest and easiest route to try is the Slide Sock that Smash49 advertises.....for $8.95 delivered, it's good to have one stashed back in your bowling bag, just in case you happen to come across some very tacky approaches.  AMF and Cal Slide also make slide socks, but Smash49's slide sock seems to be built stronger for about the same price.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Bruce on June 07, 2003, 01:17:44 AM
Give the bowlers slide sock a try.  I had the exact same problem as you.  I also have fast feet and when bowling on synthetic lanes my leg and knee would just kill me.  I saw somebody using the bowlers slide sock so I decided to give it a try...works great.  Gives me a consistent feel on the lane and most importantly there is no more pain in my knee and leg.  Try it out, I don't think you will be disappointed.

Bruce
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: 10 In The Pit on June 07, 2003, 01:24:37 AM
Bullred's comments rang a bell, so I decided to go look at my Linds heels.  Linds has always used an angled leading edge on their heels with a slight amount of rounding, but now their newest shoes most definitely have a rounded leading edge of the heel.  It looks like Linds must have been reading Bullred's mind, because the leading edge of the heel on my new pair of Exxxtras is most definitely rounded off.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: DON DRAPER on June 07, 2003, 11:15:13 AM
presto, i hope you're aware that applying ez-slide or baby powder to the bottom of your shoe and/or the approach is illegal. i for one would not hesitate to inform the league secreatary/tournament director of your action. and you would also have to deal with me one-on-one. i will never back down to anyone who jeopardizes bowlers knees/ankles/stabilty/balance. surely you can find a better alternative.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: charlest on June 07, 2003, 06:06:44 PM
Applying EZ Slide to your shoe is NOT illegal. Leeting it get on the approach so it interferes with other bowlers' safety is illegal. BIG difference.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: komike on June 07, 2003, 06:09:13 PM
thanks everyone for thier input....I will try out a few of the suggestions to see which is the best fit for me...im just glad im not the only one whos had this problem...ill let you guys know the results of which method worked best...


Thanks,
Mike
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: DON DRAPER on June 07, 2003, 09:11:33 PM
charlest as i understand it, it is illegal to apply anything to the bottom of your bowling shoe that may leave a residue on the approach. if you apply a product like e-z slide to the bottom of your shoe it WIll leave a residue on the approach.

Edited on 6/7/2003 9:16 PM
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Smash49 on June 07, 2003, 09:31:28 PM
Thanks Everyone!

Smash49
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Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 07, 2003, 09:44:12 PM
Smash49, check for message.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Strider on June 07, 2003, 11:02:58 PM
Presto, you can apply a small amount to the bottom of your shoe, but not enough to leave a residue where others may slip.  I have to use it ocassionaly myself.  I apply a small amount, then work it in on the approach under the ball return to make sure it won't affect anyone else.  I think a lot of people would have a problem with you putting it directly on the approach.  That would have to be illegal.
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Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 07, 2003, 11:04:47 PM
Presto, I think what most people are concerned about is that the application of powder on one's shoes could transfer to the approach and cause another bowler to suffer an injury by sliding past the foul line into the conditioner, thus losing their balance and possibly injuring themselves.  Plus, during humid weather, powder can pick up and hold moisture, thus causing a sticky approach, perhaps not for you but for the bowlers who bowl on those lanes afterwards.

Besides, the use of powders is against the rules of ABC:

Approaches Must Not Be Defaced

Rule 12. The application of any foreign substance on any part of the approach that detracts from the possibility of other players having normal conditions is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, such substances as talcum powder, pumice and resin on shoes; also soft rubber soles or heels that rub off on the approach.

The above is from the ABC Rulebook at www.bowl.com


Edited to add:  I dont think anyone has a problem with applying it to the shoe, then brushing it off so that there would be no loose residue to transfer to the approach.

Edited on 6/7/2003 11:10 PM
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: DON DRAPER on June 07, 2003, 11:45:48 PM
presto, what i mean is this: using e-z slide is illegal and you don't want to be bowling near me using this product---understand ?  i won't allow ANYONE to use a product that may compromise my slide and possibly injury me. are we clear on this ?
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: 10 In The Pit on June 08, 2003, 10:13:15 AM
Komike, the slide sock route does indeed work on sticky synthetic approaches.  There is a synthetic house about an hour away from me where I have always had severe sticking problems on the approaches there.  Well, a new house owner came in and saw me having terrible sticking problems.....he suggested that I try his slide sock, and the slide sock did indeed do the trick for the sticky approaches.  I was surprised at how well it worked in this house that I had always battled the approaches in.

Like I mentioned before, the slide sock that Smash49 markets (www.bowlersslidesock.com) is very well built for the long haul, and should definitely help you out on sticky synthetics.  For $8.95 delivered, the Slide Sock definitely makes for a good option for sticky approach conditions, and it is very quick to install or remove.  For the price, it sure beats the cost of buying a pair of variable sole shoes, although the variable sole shoes are also a good option.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Jerry Weller on June 08, 2003, 04:36:32 PM
I want to ask a question about that slide sock.

Is it any different in texture than a regular old sock cut up for just that purpose? I ask because I've seen bowlers use an old white sock during high humidity as a sliding aid. I tried it and felt like I was going to break my neck. It slides TOO GOOD.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: 10 In The Pit on June 08, 2003, 05:50:29 PM
Jerry, there does appear to be a texture difference between just using an old cotton sock and one of the commercially made slide socks.  Right off hand, I can think of 3 different slide socks, although two of them are exactly the same with the exception of the name and appearance.  The Cal Slide Sock is solid black, where the AMF Slide Sock is the same merchandise but it has white pins displayed on the black cloth.  Now the Bowlers Slide Sock (www.bowlersslidesock.com) that Smash49 markets comes in a wide variety of colors, and the texture of the material does feel different and much heavier than the other two slide socks.  Although I haven't really had a need to use my Bowlers Slide Sock yet, I think that it will slide a little longer than the Cal Slide or AMF Slide Socks do.  But, not having tested the two types of socks out against each other at the same time, I cannot really say for certain.  Maybe Smash49 will step in here with a comparison of his slide sock versus the other major one out there on the market.

However, I can definitely agree that the Bowlers Slide Sock is built much sturdier than the other brands, and should hold up much longer (although I don't really think that wear would be a significant problem on the other models either).
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Smash49 on June 08, 2003, 07:12:28 PM
The Bowler's Slide Sock uses a heavy 2 ply bottom that does have a texture.  The texture and the construction is what makes be able to be used on almost all conditions, slick or tacky.  It is not a felt or flannel material.  It is not overly slick.  It gives a consistent slide on most conditions, slick OR tacky. The top is a stretch type material.  We have many senior bowlers(SASBA) that are our customers.  They bowl in tournaments every week and never take the sock off no matter where they go.  I started bowling TCBA in the second half of the year and had only one small problem.  One house had approaches that were very slick and the sock adapted quickly to the approach it took about 3 or 4 frames.  I just rubbed my foot on the carpet a little bit.  I retired an EncoreII(New Model) prototype after over a year of use bowling 2 to 3 times a week.  Just started to wear a hole on one side.  Some other things to note.  The Sock is reversible so if you do manage to wear a hole in it just turn it inside out and go back to bowling.  It is also machine washable.  In fact it works better if you wash it once a month.  Many other brand socks do not last a month!  It's not unusual for some people to bowl 6 or more games a day using the sock and have it for months.

Smash49

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Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: debs130 on June 23, 2003, 08:58:11 AM
Just wanted to let everyone know that I've recently ordered and used the slide sock mentioned in this thread.  When I first received it, I found it a mite too slippery, but I rubbed my foot back and forth on my bedroom carpet to break it in a little bit.  It took me half a game to feel comfortable in my approach (I was afraid of landing on my butt at first).  Now it feels totally natural, and I no longer have to worry about stopping short.  It's a great product, and I highly recommend it to anyone who has to deal with tacky approaches.

Thanks for your help, Smash.  

Debbie
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Nicanor on June 23, 2003, 09:49:49 AM
KoMike,

Debs make a god point about the slide sock.  It really does work on synthetic approaches.  I don't use the slide sock but I have seen many other bolwers use it.  I use the red heel and I took the non-slide Dexter V slide sole and glued on a True Slide (the one that is glued on, not the one that is pre glued, peel and stick).  I keep them the red heel and this modifed sole in my bag for sticky synthetic approaches.  This also works very well.

V/R,
Nicanor
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: 10 In The Pit on June 24, 2003, 02:24:47 AM
One thing is for certain: as bowlers age, or have injuries in various parts of the body, a good slide length becomes a critical issue for these bowlers.  The slide accomplishes a couple of things.  First, it allows you to slowly and smoothly decelerate your approach, and secondly it works in conjunction with your ball timing.  As long as you are sliding, you aren't committed to releasing the ball.  Once you come to a full stop, then you are committed to release the ball, whether or not your armswing is in synch with everything else or not.

Age and injuries plague a lot of areas of the body, and the sudden jarring force of slamming to a stop on the approach may be more stress than certain body parts are happy with.  In some cases, the need to slide is significant enough that the bowler must either be able to slide, or sit out on the sideline.  Bowlers with slide knee injuries (waving my hand here, multiple times), hip problems, shoulder problems, spinal problems, and a whole host of other difficulties need to be able to slide a desirable amount so that they can unload the pressure of the approach and delivery.  A 19 year old youngster might be able to get away with a plant and rip delivery, but a 49 year old bowler with knee problems might find that planting at the foul line takes him completely out of the game due to pain.  I do see some older bowlers who don't slide, but these bowlers have made compensations in their approach and delivery in other ways to limit the stress on the body.  I can think of one fellow in his '70's who bowls with me, and he simply walks slowly down the approach and gently lays the ball down on the lane as he lands on his slide foot....he has compensated by reducing his approach speed and significantly reducing his ball speed.  So, you can't say that all older bowlers slide, but most of them prefer a longer slide for the stress reduction as well as the ball timing improvement.

Anything you can do to improve your slide to get what you feel comfortable with is a plus.  Of course, some of the possibilities are against the rules (EZ Slide or baby powder on the approaches), but you have options such as the slide socks, Tru-Slide, Glide Slide, and variable sole/heel slide shoes.  Somewhere in that combination of methods lies an answer for just about any situation.  You don't have to live with tacky approaches, unless you fail to explore the possible remedies.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: 10 In The Pit on June 24, 2003, 03:41:23 AM
Another trick that poses very little risk of transferring anything to the approach surface is to rub a soapstone stick on the slide sole of your shoe.  It leaves virtually no visible residue or anything to transfer to the approach, and some bowling centers even keep it in stock at the front desk.  Of course you don't want to go overboard with it, but simply rubbing the stick across the slide sole a couple of times will help out.  If I'm braking too hard, I'll rub the leading edge of my braking heel with the stick, and it instantly softens up the brakes.  The soapstone works its way into the slide sole and into the rubber of the heel.

In case you aren't familiar with soapstone sticks, they are commonly used for marking metal.....the stick is a somewhat soft solid, and you can find them in either rectangular shapes or cylindrical shapes.  Your best bet to find some is a hardware store (some hardware stores will stock it for about 25 cents a stick), or you can find it at a location where they do metal working and welding.
Title: Re: Problem sliding on synthetics apporaches
Post by: Smash49 on June 24, 2003, 08:59:02 AM
Thanks Debs.  I'm glad to hear things are working good.  The rubbing on the carpet works most of the time.  I nearly had a heart attack the other day/  I sat down in the pits to get ready to bowl and my slide shoe came up dripping wet(Someone's spilled drink).  I darted into the shop and grabbed a new sock off the rack.  I'll wear the same one for months so I don't break them in that often.  Whoo it was slick! Walked back to the concourse and rubbed it on the carpet for about 20 seconds and went to bowling.  The first frame or two can be an adventure.

Komike:  We received your order but were unable to contact you.  I sent email's and left voicemail.  Your using Dexter SST6's.  A couple of months ago we were at a tradeshow and walked into the Dexter booth.  We were talking with the reps and David Ozio about new shoes coming out and they went "So your the guys covering our SST's".  Many people use the Bowler's Slide Sock on SST6's.  In fact we would custom make them in the early days for the 6.  One way to look at is as if you were carrying another slidesole as an alternative.

Smash49
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