BallReviews

General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: 10 In The Pit Pro Shop on December 30, 2008, 02:02:27 PM

Title: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: 10 In The Pit Pro Shop on December 30, 2008, 02:02:27 PM: Alright guys.. my stats are in my profile..

I'm having a problem slowing everything down.. during practice my feet and ball speed are slow and im throwing the ball like i want to, but as soon as the lights come on i become fast again. Like i mentioned i don't have a lot of have, and kind of spin the ball, so i have a problem with getting to fast, and my carry % is reallly low.

I use a 6 step approach, which i feel is my major problem because im getting too much momentum when i get to the line, and everything is fast. I am throwing 15# stuff, and im not willing to move up to 16 because i have so much equipment.

I have tried everything, hold the ball lower, concentrate on staying slow. but when i do concentrate on staying slow my timing feels REALLLY off, and i can't get used to it. If the lanes are dry im killing it, but if theres any remote of heavy oil i stuggle with carry and hook..

Ive tried switching to a 5 step, and thats a little better but i still have a tendency to get fast, and timing still feels weird.. I hope anyone can gimme some suggestions to work on.. hand positions, speed, everything.. grrrrrrrr its becoming frustrating thank god i can make spares or id b foooooooooooooooked..

Thanks For Reading,

Brandon

--------------------
Ten In The Pit Pro Shop
New Baltimore Michigan, 48047
Inside Salt River Lanes
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: tdub36tjt on December 30, 2008, 10:08:54 PM: I have the same problem sometimes. I found that its not just about holding the ball lower, its about the pushaway. Keep the pushaway smaller the ball speed will go down. I found even when I kept the ball lower I still had a pretty big pushaway and it caused a higher ball speed.
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: 10 In The Pit Pro Shop on December 30, 2008, 10:12:49 PM: do u think this will help my feet as well?
--------------------
Ten In The Pit Pro Shop
New Baltimore Michigan, 48047
Inside Salt River Lanes
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: tdub36tjt on December 30, 2008, 10:20:23 PM: You might have to change the timing of your pushaway a little (i.e.start the ball a little earlier or later). The biggest thing I would look at too is your release. I would recommend trying to throw your thumb at your target to try to cut down on the spin. If you still are spinning it I would throw your index finger at your target. If still spinning it throw your middle finger at your target and so on...hopefully you understand what I mean. It is nice to be able to change releases too. But being able to slow down and speed up is nice too.
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 30, 2008, 10:29:51 PM: Compact your approach a few inches then push it closer in a few weeks, eventually you can move up a foot or so and slow everything down.

Learn to walk by the ball Bill Hall teaches this method, he teaches pushing the ball forward is bad thing just set it into the swing plane. Watching old film of Wiseman and Duke will show you his method's, he is there coach and they swear by his method's.

Make sure everything stays going forward not sideways, up or something else keep your leverage arm ahead and it will keep your shoulder inline for the ball to be close to your ankle. In fact the new BTM my friend Bill gets into this very thing, so if you get BTM great if not subscribe and get real info on a monthly basis.
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: 10 In The Pit Pro Shop on December 30, 2008, 10:46:44 PM: these are great tips guys! cant wait to try them out at practice!
--------------------
Ten In The Pit Pro Shop
New Baltimore Michigan, 48047
Inside Salt River Lanes
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: Wilbert on December 31, 2008, 09:44:20 AM: I have seen 2 people cut there approach in half to cut the speed done. Both are about 6 feet from the foul line. One is a local bowler-about 200 avg. The other is a PBA regional player. In his case it may be due to injury, but he will be on the national tour next year. He qualified through the national regional tournament earlier this month.

Edited on 12/31/2008 12:17 PM
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: azguy on December 31, 2008, 10:03:15 AM: I found two things that have worked for me, might not for you...

1. Take 2/3 - 3/4 the 'step distance', that between each step ( hard to do at first, don't think about it to much or it'll mess the timing all up )

2. Push-away less than 3-4 inches or about half of what you normally do. I almost 'drop' as I start. It has slowed the swing, speed to a point I do not think about it any longer.

What I will say, try ONE of these. I did both and looked like a drunk sea gull until I got it 'down right'. It'll mess the timing a bit but it helped me.
--------------------
az guy aka: R & L Bowlers Pro
rlbowlerspro@cox.net
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: 10 In The Pit Pro Shop on December 31, 2008, 10:17:48 AM: Thanks guy! gonna be trying this out ASAP!
--------------------
Ten In The Pit Pro Shop
New Baltimore Michigan, 48047
Inside Salt River Lanes
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: Zack Pelton300 on December 31, 2008, 11:37:23 AM: sounds like u need a routine to slow u down. When u walk up there walk up there slowly to the approach. Do something like use the air dryer, wipe off ur ball something. When u are on the approach take a deep breath before u go. (remember keep everything slow.
--------------------
Zack Pelton
Olathe, Kansas
Ebonite Bowl 2 Win
Ebonite Amateur Staff
www.ebonite.com

Highs
Game: 300 (8)
Series: 853 (3)
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: 10 In The Pit Pro Shop on December 31, 2008, 01:10:23 PM: this is all gonna help! thanks!!!
--------------------
Ten In The Pit Pro Shop
New Baltimore Michigan, 48047
Inside Salt River Lanes
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: strikecing on December 31, 2008, 01:18:35 PM: I would try to move forward on the approach and move you marker closer to your self.
--------------------
Raceway Lanes FOREVER!!! ROYAL PIN You ARE WHATS WRONG IN INDY!!!!
high score: 300 (1/10/07 Tropical Storm)
My Arsenal
Cell Pin above ring finger
Storm Rapid Fire Pearl Pin above ring finger
Columbia Messenger Low RG stacked label
Brunswick Inferno Pin above Bridge
2 tropical storms one pin up one pin down
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: FBM357 on December 31, 2008, 01:45:22 PM: I know this may sound somewhat methodical, but stand a half foot or so from the foul line. Take 4-5 normal steps (normal = steps you normally take while walking). This will be your starting point. Grab your ball and proceed. Basically walking and throwing the ball at your own pace. I learned this from Rick (i.e. tenpinspro) while I was in Cali for Nats @ Reno couple years ago. I've basically stuck with it. Found myself nearly a foot in front of the first set of dots on the approach (i.e. ones closer to the foul line). When I want to apply more speed, I simply move back 6 inches or so, thus lengthening my stride and/or moving a little quicker to the line. I've tried holding the ball higher to increase speed, but that definitely screws my timing. BTW, my timing is late (in comparison to what many believe - pushaway begins with first step). I put the ball in motion after my first step (I use 4 step approach)

Edited on 12/31/2008 2:45 PM
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: Moon57 on December 31, 2008, 02:12:12 PM: My suggestion would be to get a coach and see what he says. If your speed really isn't as fast as you think it is and you try to slow down to cover up a flaw you might wind up worse off.
--------------------
Moon
--------------------
So many questions, so little time but I'm having fun.
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: notsohotshot on December 31, 2008, 03:20:20 PM: Try walking to the line like you are "strolling in the park".It works to slow me down.
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: Smash49 on January 03, 2009, 06:12:48 PM: Try this and see if this helps. Take a deep breath at the ball return and let it out. Then when you get on the approach put your hand in the ball and get set. Close your eyes and take another deep breath as you are letting it out find your target and when the breath is gone make your move towards the target.

Smash49
--------------------
Smash49

Slick, tacky, wood or synthetic it does not matter your slide is correct with SLSM Designs Bowlers Slide Sock. The Finest Slide Sock on the Planet!!!
www.bowlersslidesock.com
Striking Cat Bowling Pro Shop inside Striking Cat Bowling Lanes of Duncan Oklahoma!
www.chisholmtraillanes.com
Title: Re: Problem SLowing Everything Down..
Post by: Foppe on January 07, 2009, 07:28:56 AM: I've had the same problem for about 4 months...

I was throwing my ball way to hard for the revs I have.
If I would make a guess my revs would be in the 250-range I guess, but I was throwing the ball at about 20 MPH or harder.

Everybody told me I really had to slow down my speed, and I really tried everything:

I'm a 4-step guy, so I moved even more towards the line, I only stand at the 1st line of dots now and I'm a tall guy ( 1.90m which is 6'3 I think), hold the ball just below my waist, very small push-away, ...

Nothing helped because I couldn't slow my feet down and kept rushing the shots.
Also I was ingoring much advice I got from fellow players, which I regret afterwards.

Since about a week I'm improving: finally managed to slow my feet down (this was the biggest stap forward, beste change I've done).
I stay lower during the approach and I do a deeper kneebend now.
This gave me a better timing/feeling & it allows me to:

1) throw slower => I try to get +- 17 MPH
2) revs have incrased, by no means much but more than it used to be
3) far better ball reaction, thus more strikes

Before on our fresh 39ft med-heavy houseshot I had to play straight up the 1st arrow :S
Now I can play the little swing shot I love: 9-10 at arrows to around 3-4 at breakpoint.

I can also even slow the ball speed further down now, to about 15 MPH and play a bit deeper (around 3th arrow) but this is not my comfort zone, planning on practicing on this area tough.

Also I have a (long) pre-shot routine and I talk a bit to myself before taking the aproach -> this really helped me to get in a slower rhytm.

Sry for the long post.

Grtz.

Edited on 1/7/2009 10:07 AM