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a_ak57

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Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« on: December 31, 2004, 02:24:12 AM »
Alright well my leauge is still on break, and starts back up next week.  Now, I'm trying to decide which to use for league:  Stroker or high-end tweener/cranker?

We've finally been house shot-ified, so the standard things apply here.  Which do you think I should use?  Right now i'm not truly developed in either as i've been practicing both.  For the cranker i need to get my speed up, opposite for the stroker shot.

But what are the advantages/disadvantages of both on a THS?  Yes, i know the basic differences.  I would use both, but i find that it would be far too difficult of a learning curve trying to figure out not only which style to use (which would probably take a whole game), and then my line as well.  So i'd like to use one for the majority, until i see that the pattern is changing and i can effectively switch.

Right now i'm learning towards cranker, since then my carry percentage would be higher.   BUT, i also know that strokers don't leave splits as often.  But, what are the splits a high-end tweener/cranker normally leaves?

As you can see, I'm a bit at a loss.  I have about a week to decide.

ALSO:  Right now i'm a tweener, about 16mph with 325-350 rpm.  I like it somewhat, but i find that tweeners rely heavily on ball/hand/feet position changes too much.  That's why i was asking.  DO you think it will be easier to just learn the changes, or would just having the one end of the spectrum be easier?

PS- Almost made the 7-10.  Threw it, went to the right side of the 10 in the gutter, hitting the 10, kicking it straight out but a few inches behind the 7.  Damn.  ANother reason i'm leaning towards cranker.  I've been making a lot of weird splits.  Actually my split conversion is better than my other multi pin conversions...
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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2004, 10:33:20 AM »
Whatever you can do better. The cranker shot you have is fun for you, but its gonna mess you up big time with the way you bend your elbow and go under the ball and such. If I were you I would just learn to slow your speed down some, and learn to cup your wrist, and keep it cupped. This will put you at more of a medium.
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a_ak57

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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2004, 10:38:04 AM »
Well yeah, i went bowling and that's what i was doing.  I was throwing it 16 or so with probably 325-350rpm.  But i had a horrible time trying to find a line with that so i figured it would just be easier to use one of the standards.  From there, i can either put less and go stroker, or learn to hit up and become cranker.  Tweeners have a horrible time so i'd rather be a stroker or cranker.
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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2004, 10:38:14 AM »
Hope this helps,
 Crankers do get more carry and can handle heavier oil than a stroker/tweener.
 However, the physical toll can shorten your career. A friend of mine hits the ball pretty good and is having arm trouble now and he's only in his 30's. Another young man who set the state men's record here had to lay off for a month and is still not back to 100%--and he's only 16!!!
 Another factor is accuracy. Cranking can open up the lane,but too wide of a shot,or pulling the ball can result in nasty unmakeable splits.
 Another factor is stamina. Can your body handle the demands of going to this style?? Will you tire out after a game and a half??
 You'll also have to adjust your arsenal to provide for the lane conditions. Your medium/heavy ball may now become a medium only due to increased revs, and your medium ball may now become a light ball,or a carrydown specific ball depending on conditions.
 I hope this helps you. I,too would love to rip thye cover off the ball,but was never trained to do it. I'm also NOT trying to turn you off to cranking,but just giving my .02 worth after 30 plus years of bowling,watching and learning.
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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2004, 10:38:28 AM »
thats not so true considering i bend my elbow as does my friend, we fair off well. i throw about 17 to 18 miles and hour but he is throwing 14 to 15. the only difference is i am playing striaghter and averaging higher
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a_ak57

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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2004, 10:43:53 AM »
So do you think i should stick with the tweener shot, and have to rely on ball/hand changes and feet position?  I really don't know if it will be easier to learn the changes, or to become one end of the spectrum.
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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2004, 10:44:21 AM »
No, I mean ak REALLY bends his elbow alot. lol. It almost looks painful.
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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2005, 04:50:20 PM »
I guess it depends on how pronounced the THS is in terms of ratio from less oil to more oil. On my Monday THS that I face in league, the people who tend to cover more boards with more revs get into bigger trouble if they can't hit the breakpoint at the right speed every shot- they tend to leave a lot of pocket 7-10's and 2-8-10's. The people who have been scoring better play either a small swing shot or down and in off the dry boards with a lot of ball speed (usually at the back between 17.5-18.5 mph).

I agree with what most people have been saying- you need to do what is more comfortable for you. If you are accepting of a higher carry percentage as a cranker and willing to take the splits that may come along with it, go for that. Most people that can play a stroker style can usually grind out decent games even when it seems like the shot is hard...

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a_ak57

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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2005, 04:52:03 PM »
Hah.  Well thanks for the help everyone.  I'll figure it out next saturday when league starts back up.  ANd chances are, i'll throw you all for a loop and be a tweener or something.

Since i'm so egotistical to think that your lives revolve around me (which they do), i'll let you know what's up next week.
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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2005, 06:13:47 PM »
A couple of things to think about:
Which style means makeable spares???

Which style means YOU CAN PICK UP YOUR SPARES???????

Cranking looks cool - or it can look really, really stupid when you don't strike and can't pick up a spare.

What are you going to be able to do when it's NOT a THS?
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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2005, 06:46:02 PM »
Andy, I was once a true stroker.  I never played deeper than 13 and I was averaging over deuce.  I decided that I wanted to increase my revs so I could open up the lane more.  It works, but it became very hard to control.  So, now I am working on decreasing back down again.  You leave more makeable spares as a tweener or stroker than you do a cranker.  

Also, if you did become a cranker you would be like my friend, he is always complaining there isn't enough oil.  Doesn't seem to matter where we go.

Work on being accurate and a good spare shooter.  That will pay off more in the long run than being able to crank the ball.

I consider myself a tweener or power tweener at this point.  

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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2005, 07:03:10 PM »
Keep what you have.It is not worth it to change because what you are doing now will work.Only if you change your hand position and feet- follow thru normaly instead of cranking it. Your average will hurt if you change from stroker to ripping it.
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Re: Pros and Cons: Which to use?
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2005, 08:26:42 PM »
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Well yeah, i went bowling and that's what i was doing.  I was throwing it 16 or so with probably 325-350rpm.  But i had a horrible time trying to find a line with that so i figured it would just be easier to use one of the standards.  From there, i can either put less and go stroker, or learn to hit up and become cranker.  Tweeners have a horrible time so i'd rather be a stroker or cranker.
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Andy,

Crankers do not necessarily hit "UP" on it. In fact, even for crankers, that is a no-no.

Also going from a tweener at 16 mph and 350 revs, up to cranker territory at 18-19 mph to gether with 450+ revs is an amazingly MAJOR difference. As yo usure you can both learn this and make it your "A" game in one week?

Why not take the best of both worlds and stay a tweener, if that is your strength? Let's say, it is, at best, non-trivial to make yourself into either a stroker or a cranker in even 6 months to a year. Doing it in 1 week is impossible.

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