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dmonroe814

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Confused or Stupid
« on: April 10, 2012, 02:59:51 PM »
Wondering if I am stupid or just confused.

If you have a high/pro perfomance ball that hooks from 13 to 8 to pocket and a mid performance ball that hooks from 13 to 8 to pocket, what is the difference?

Is it just the potential hook, the hitting power, finishing drive?

Truely, what is the difference between the high-performance balls and mid perfomance balls?


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Re: Confused or Stupid
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 03:19:29 PM »
Price? 
 
That seems to be the biggest difference to me. 
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Re: Confused or Stupid
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2012, 03:32:51 PM »
House blended oil patterns.
 
Normally a premium price ball hooks more than a mid-price ball.
House blended oil patterns allow bowlers to use a wide variety of balls AND ball reactions to score well, with some (but definitely not all) of this depending on the bowler's delivery/release.
 
Many premium price balls can burn off just enough energy in the midlane to hook much less yet still retain enough power to hit well.BUT this is or can be a tricky balancing act if/when we try to do it deliberately. Meanwhile the ball we should be using, the medium-price one, is doing just what it should, clearing the heads and hooking as it should, and hit the pocket as designed.
 
This is why we should always test our balls on multiple oil patterns in multiple houses before we decide one ball always hooks xx boards more and  has yy boards more backend than the other ball. In fact, one of the best place to do such "measuring" is on sport patterns. In any case, balls should be tested on dry, medium and heavy oil patterns to learn what they do and how they go about it.
 


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Re: Confused or Stupid
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 03:34:25 PM »
Core and cover technology is the difference. Many of the high end covers released today eventually make their way down to lower price points where they may be used on a ball with a less dynamic core. The ball will still have plenty of hook  and everything else it is just now an older technology that doesn't cost the manufacture as much.
 
Ebonites The One GB10.7 cover used on their high end ball 5-6 years ago is now on their entry level Cyclone. Does the Cyclone hook and do all of those other fancy things? Of course. Likely not as much as some of their new releases.


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Re: Confused or Stupid
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 03:36:18 PM »
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Re: Confused or Stupid
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 03:48:21 PM »
Informed.  Well thought out.  Correct and unbiased.

Obviously you don't belong on this board......
 



charlest wrote on 4/10/2012 1:32 PM:
House blended oil patterns.

 

Normally a premium price ball hooks more than a mid-price ball.

House blended oil patterns allow bowlers to use a wide variety of balls AND ball reactions to score well, with some (but definitely not all) of this depending on the bowler's delivery/release.

 

Many premium price balls can burn off just enough energy in the midlane to hook much less yet still retain enough power to hit well.BUT this is or can be a tricky balancing act if/when we try to do it deliberately. Meanwhile the ball we should be using, the medium-price one, is doing just what it should, clearing the heads and hooking as it should, and hit the pocket as designed.

 

This is why we should always test our balls on multiple oil patterns in multiple houses before we decide one ball always hooks xx boards more and  has yy boards more backend than the other ball. In fact, one of the best place to do such "measuring" is on sport patterns. In any case, balls should be tested on dry, medium and heavy oil patterns to learn what they do and how they go about it.

 



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Re: Confused or Stupid
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 05:08:48 PM »
Premium ball=Asymetric core+Latest Coverstock

Mid price ball=Symetric core+Coverstock previously used on a Premium ball.


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Re: Confused or Stupid
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2012, 08:37:20 PM »
You quoted the wrong poster who's post reads like it was quoting an article out of Bowlers Journal. You should have quoted Just Rico with you're comments.  What you're typical ball "whore" doesn't want to admit is the cores and shells of the mid price balls used to be what were considered the cores and shells of the high priced balls just a couple of years ago.  They have fallen victim to the excellent marketing programs of the ball manufacturers and the incessant need people have to just gotta have the latest and greatest.   Because we all know that the new ball that hooks one board and one inch later is the one that's gonna make everything in your bag obsolete.  Hope that clears it up for you.  
 
dmonroe814 wrote on 4/10/2012 1:48 PM:
Informed.  Well thought out.  Correct and unbiased.

Obviously you don't belong on this board......
 



charlest wrote on 4/10/2012 1:32 PM:
House blended oil patterns.

 

Normally a premium price ball hooks more than a mid-price ball.

House blended oil patterns allow bowlers to use a wide variety of balls AND ball reactions to score well, with some (but definitely not all) of this depending on the bowler's delivery/release.

 

Many premium price balls can burn off just enough energy in the midlane to hook much less yet still retain enough power to hit well.BUT this is or can be a tricky balancing act if/when we try to do it deliberately. Meanwhile the ball we should be using, the medium-price one, is doing just what it should, clearing the heads and hooking as it should, and hit the pocket as designed.

 

This is why we should always test our balls on multiple oil patterns in multiple houses before we decide one ball always hooks xx boards more and  has yy boards more backend than the other ball. In fact, one of the best place to do such "measuring" is on sport patterns. In any case, balls should be tested on dry, medium and heavy oil patterns to learn what they do and how they go about it.

 



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Re: Confused or Stupid
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2012, 01:49:07 AM »
 Everything looks the same on the house wall, bowl on a sport pattern if you wanna see
The difference


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Re: Confused or Stupid
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2012, 08:40:56 PM »

 



mainzer wrote on 4/10/2012 11:49 PM:Everything looks the same on the house wall, bowl on a sport pattern if you wanna see
The difference


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Re: Confused or Stupid
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2012, 12:00:37 PM »
Recommend going to the Stormbowling.com website and clicking on the matchmaker section.  Enter in your information and see what ball it recommends. You can try different variables. With my input they recommend the Victory Road, the Thunder class.  I never matched up with this class but it goes to show they don't always recommend the Premier line or even the Master line.
 
Currently I'm only bowling at two centers.  But there is no way I can use the same set of bowling balls at both centers and still bowl well.  One house my weakest ball is the Modern Marvel and the other house a very weakly drilled cherry vibe is too strong.  Even the new urethane blue Hammer is too strong.
 
So imho, its about making skill level with bowling ball to lane condition.
 
 


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