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Locke

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Proshop Jacks
« on: February 10, 2009, 04:07:36 PM »
So the other day I went into the local shop to help the girl I am coaching find a new ball. Now she is a tiny little girl, about 5'2" and maybe 115Lb. No surprise she is a low speed low rev bowler. So I was talking with the shop owner asking what equipment he might recommend. I told her all about her game and he, with out taking any of what I said into account, starts pushing equipment on her instead of talking to me. We are looking for a light oil ball for her. I was thinking Vibe or Neptune, thinking as a low speed low rev bowler she needs a pearl with a core. He starts pushing Tropical Storm or Columbia Jazz. I cut in and said that she really needs a ball with a real core and he tells me that they do have real cores because they have a flip block. Finally I get him off her and they start talking about shoes and he tries pushing a $225 pair of global 900 shoes on her. So he want her to buy the most entry level ball he has but then the most expensive shoes he has... I almost hit him. Anyone else ever almost go across the counter on a proshop owner?
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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 12:43:27 AM »
I'd just like to make a comment.  I wouldn't be so quick to turn down a Jazz or Tropical.  Maybe they don't have real cores but my understanding is that they're better than pancakes.  I will say I'd prefer a Jazz between the two.  However, you had a pretty good idea of what you wanted for her going in and it sucks that you got completely ignored.

That said, it sounds like this guy is person is more about the quick buck than your student's needs.  If possible, I'd take her somewhere else because I'd be concerned about the person's ability to fit and drill based on that personality.
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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 12:56:36 AM »
I had been into the shop once before. He is new this season to the house. Its not where she will be getting that ball drilled no matter how good he was. As for the ball. I have a Tornado. I have no problem with the flip block balls but for a girl who is about 125 RPM 11.5 MPH it is useless.
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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 01:08:47 AM »
Trust me she needs the strong core to get carry. She can handle a snap. Her major problem in her game is carry. She is 19 and has a 175 average she isn't a new bowler by any means.
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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 01:13:38 AM »
I would like to add that the shoes are the #1 piece of equipment a bowler can have..  If you are not comfortable on the approach or with the slide, you cannot deliver a good shot...  but, on the flip side, you cannot out bowl a bad fit, so you need to have the equipment fitted properly..  

I don't see anything wrong with recommending the Jazz or Tropical Storm..
Drilled properly and thrown properly and fitted properly, the ball should work.
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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2009, 02:29:22 AM »
I just read deeper into the thread as well..  I don't see why you should care of his opinion on balls, if he is not going to drill it for her..  Why should he offer his time and expertise if you are not going to spend money in his shop..  Also, since you are already dead set on what you think she needs, why consult the shop anyway if you are not going to listen to suggestions..
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2009, 02:43:11 AM »
As a Pro Shop type...

I would have asked to see her throw the ball a bit to help with the pick if at all possible.

The Jazz is a seriously overlooked ball and carries much better than one imagines and I would probably pointed that way as an option too.

As for the shoes. If she is going to be a serious bowler you need the shoes...so would have started at the low end SST's or such.  Again would ask about how much she bowls and houses she bowls at and tourney's to get the feel.

I don't think the shop was as far off the mark as you are putting it at...
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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2009, 03:03:13 AM »
If i get it right
your opinion was like: Vibe or Neptune
and hes opinions was:  Tropical or Jazz

As far as i know and seen on lanes:
the Vibe is so far away from the Neptune like
the Tropical from the Jazz.
If drilled by a professional there is a good possibility make them react alike (at least 3 of them) so a average bowler on a houseshot would not feel or see the difference.

I believe that almost any pro shop owner would try to sell you (as a first approach) something similar to your wishes if "your" ball is out of stock. By now i cant see the negative side because sophisticated drilling and operator skill will make the ball react very very likely.

About the shoes i have no opinion i never even see shoes from global.

To answer you question about real pro shop idiots... oh yes they exist. My first bowling ball was a brand new vizaball from brunswick. The idiot sell and drilled it to me putting the pancake upside down. Real class act at that time i did not know anything about drilling or static weight rules. So this ball is garbage right now.
My second ball was from the same idiot (did not figured out that he have drilled to death my first one). He managed to sell me a infinite one with a leverage drilling (by the book) that in reality was a 1,5 PIN to my PAP to play on lanes without any oil outside 10. I still suffer from habits i developed that time to get this ball to the pocket. He opinion was like Bowlers with less than one year experience with reactive have no PAP.

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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 04:30:50 AM »
have her get a few used balls that have big cores in them...  try that route.  may also be a bit cheaper
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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 05:43:10 AM »
Tropicals are a ton stronger than people think and they do have weight blocks and you can drill them to flip pretty good as well.  Tropicals are stronger than Neptunes, I've had them both.

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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2009, 05:52:58 AM »
I really don't see any problem with what he did except the shoe part. The size of the weight block really has no effect on carry, the ball have energy left and rolling into the pocket is what determines carry. I hate this argument because it all comes down to a match up and believe it or not the weaker cores in the balls mentioned do plenty, they will get the ball into roll and they won't do too much.


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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 07:20:22 AM »
Who is the true customer....Her and he should talk directly with her.  Both balls he suggested would work just fine.  He is doing her a favor by suggesting lower end equipment this late in the season.  I don't fully agree with your assessment that the core is going to carry, if she does not have much speed than work on entry angle to help with carry.  I'm not saying cores don't help but not to the extent that you seem to think.  And for shoes, they can last for many years and it is wise to invest in a good pair.
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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 07:32:26 AM »
I have a Jazz and my wife has one as well.  She is a low rev medium speed bowler and that thing hits a ton for her.  Nawtsomuch for me on the other hand.  I throw way to fast for that thing.  As for shoes, I alway buy the cheap ones that are kinda uncomfortable, i go through at least two pairs of shoes in a bowling season.  I am very hard on shoes in general.
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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 09:56:18 AM »
The Jazz and the Trop Storm are both great balls.  The Jazz is very underrated.    Specs on the Jazz are a higher RG with same diff than the Vibe.  If you have slow ball speed you want something that will get down the lane.  Coverstock will make a big difference but the Jazz is a good choice. The Trop Storm has a really good coverstock and it will get down the lane and move also.  As for shoes, they are an investment.  Good shoes will really help your game.  If you do not believe go out and put on a pair of house shoes after wearing good shoes for a while.  The only concern is are they worth the money for the usage they will get.  If you bowl once a week maybe not.  

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Re: Proshop Jacks
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 10:04:38 AM »
Agree with you on the shoes,  but what many have said about the Jazz or Tropicals is true.  Now as for the Vibe,  great ball,  so I can see your point.

Many feel that balls like the Vibe, Bash, Clash, Rattler, Creature pearl are a giant step up from the entry level balls like the Jazz, Scouts, Tornando's and Tropicals.  

But on light oil patterns,  they work just fine.

BTW,  what shoe does Global have that sells for $225???

$149  tops.   Man if this shop is trying to sell shoes at that price,  what do they want for the Jazz or the Vibe?
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