Author Topic: Proshop Jacks (Read 6174 times)

Locke · « **on:** February 10, 2009, 04:07:36 PM »

So the other day I went into the local shop to help the girl I am coaching find a new ball. Now she is a tiny little girl, about 5'2" and maybe 115Lb. No surprise she is a low speed low rev bowler. So I was talking with the shop owner asking what equipment he might recommend. I told her all about her game and he, with out taking any of what I said into account, starts pushing equipment on her instead of talking to me. We are looking for a light oil ball for her. I was thinking Vibe or Neptune, thinking as a low speed low rev bowler she needs a pearl with a core. He starts pushing Tropical Storm or Columbia Jazz. I cut in and said that she really needs a ball with a real core and he tells me that they do have real cores because they have a flip block. Finally I get him off her and they start talking about shoes and he tries pushing a $225 pair of global 900 shoes on her. So he want her to buy the most entry level ball he has but then the most expensive shoes he has... I almost hit him. Anyone else ever almost go across the counter on a proshop owner?
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renoatpikeville · « **Reply #16 on:** February 11, 2009, 10:06:34 AM »

well a proshop can sell any item for any price they want, so $225 shoes, sure they can do that?

Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #17 on:** February 11, 2009, 10:16:48 AM »

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I think Locke is trying to impress the young lady. I think he wants some of it.
He's 20 and she's 19.
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I think so too...

But back to the subject at hand, what weight is she throwing anyways? First off, the proshop operator should have watched her bowl some, especially being in a freaking bowling alley!

Also what is she using now? There are many factors that need to be figured out. You, yourself was wanting to push a Vibe or Neptune on her... Depending on what weight she threw, and what she currently has the jazz, Scout, Tropical Storm, etc may work for her. The core might be too much for her and also Depending on the weight there may not be a full size core in it, then you are paying for a name and not getting a benefit of a full core.

Depending on how much she bowled her shoes could be left/right hand specific, no problem with that. But that seemed outrageous on his shoe recommendation, but did he offer other shoes too or did he just say she needed those?
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jls · « **Reply #18 on:** February 11, 2009, 10:25:52 AM »

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well a proshop can sell any item for any price they want, so $225 shoes, sure they can do that?

Sir, in todays world, stores of all types must be careful at what they try to sell an item for. Selling those shoes for $225 when anyone in the free world can order them for about $140-$160 is rape!!!!!

We now have a thing called the internet. People can shop online. Really, it was in all the papers.

So only an idiot would try to sell those shoes for $225, when you can buy them for about $140-$160 in most places.

Unless this is a new model that I don't know about.

And only a bigger idiot would buy them at that price.

Maybe this fellow should seriously look for another pro shop.
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renoatpikeville · « **Reply #19 on:** February 11, 2009, 10:31:22 AM »

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well a proshop can sell any item for any price they want, so $225 shoes, sure they can do that?

Sir, in todays world, stores of all types must be careful at what they try to sell an item for. Selling those shoes for $225 when anyone in the free world can order them for about $140-$160 is rape!!!!!

We now have a thing called the internet. People can shop online. Really, it was in all the papers.

So only an idiot would try to sell those shoes for $225, when you can buy them for about $140-$160 in most places.

Unless this is a new model that I don't know about.

And only a bigger idiot would buy them at that price.

Maybe this fellow should seriously look for another pro shop.
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Well...I was expecting 'are we clear' but hey, nice post.

I am speculating here but maybe those $225 shoes are actually $179 plus tax and with some embellishment or dramatic story telling you get to $225. (price actually increase for story telling purposes, i.e. fish stories)

But nothing is stopping a proshop from selling for any price...that is merely what I am referring to.

And yes, it would be idiotic to pay that much especially when you can find comparable shoes for half that price.

jls · « **Reply #20 on:** February 11, 2009, 10:39:42 AM »

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well a proshop can sell any item for any price they want, so $225 shoes, sure they can do that?

Sir, in todays world, stores of all types must be careful at what they try to sell an item for. Selling those shoes for $225 when anyone in the free world can order them for about $140-$160 is rape!!!!!

We now have a thing called the internet. People can shop online. Really, it was in all the papers.

So only an idiot would try to sell those shoes for $225, when you can buy them for about $140-$160 in most places.

Unless this is a new model that I don't know about.

And only a bigger idiot would buy them at that price.

Maybe this fellow should seriously look for another pro shop.
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jls

Well...I was expecting 'are we clear' but hey, nice post.

I am speculating here but maybe those $225 shoes are actually $179 plus tax and with some embellishment or dramatic story telling you get to $225. (price actually increase for story telling purposes, i.e. fish stories)

But nothing is stopping a proshop from selling for any price...that is merely what I am referring to.

And yes, it would be idiotic to pay that much especially when you can find comparable shoes for half that price.

Sir, yes you are right, that would be idiotic. And if a pro shop did that to me on any item, I would not trust them on any price.

BTW, so sorry I left out, "are we clear"

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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #21 on:** February 11, 2009, 11:00:12 AM »

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well a proshop can sell any item for any price they want, so $225 shoes, sure they can do that?

Sir, in todays world, stores of all types must be careful at what they try to sell an item for. Selling those shoes for $225 when anyone in the free world can order them for about $140-$160 is rape!!!!!

We now have a thing called the internet. People can shop online. Really, it was in all the papers.

So only an idiot would try to sell those shoes for $225, when you can buy them for about $140-$160 in most places.

Unless this is a new model that I don't know about.

And only a bigger idiot would buy them at that price.

Maybe this fellow should seriously look for another pro shop.
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jls

Well...I was expecting 'are we clear' but hey, nice post.

I am speculating here but maybe those $225 shoes are actually $179 plus tax and with some embellishment or dramatic story telling you get to $225. (price actually increase for story telling purposes, i.e. fish stories)

But nothing is stopping a proshop from selling for any price...that is merely what I am referring to.

And yes, it would be idiotic to pay that much especially when you can find comparable shoes for half that price.

Yeah I think there may be a bit of embellishment too. That is a ridiculous price. But there is alot of information missing...
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bluerrpilot · « **Reply #22 on:** February 11, 2009, 06:30:31 PM »

Lets all take a moment to thank the stars that Mr Cell Pimp is not in the pro-shop business. Unfortunatly, this kind of un-education will probably be spread around town in the form of the proshop operator doesnt know what hes talking about.

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I was thinking Vibe or Neptune, thinking as a low speed low rev bowler she needs a pearl with a core. He starts pushing Tropical Storm or Columbia Jazz

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Trust me she needs the strong core to get carry. She can handle a snap. Her major problem in her game is carry. She is 19 and has a 175 average she isn't a new bowler by any means.

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I had been into the shop once before. He is new this season to the house. Its not where she will be getting that ball drilled no matter how good he was.

Why do you think a low speed player needs a cover as strong as a Vibe

Why do you think a low speed player needs a core in order to carry better.

What makes you think he doesnâ€™t know more about what he is talking about than you do. Maybe he wanted to toss you out of his store for coming to him for his opinion and then getting mad because he was talking to the person that will in the long run be making the purchase and using the equipment.

I donâ€™t think you mentioned what weight she throws. And considering if she drops below 14lb, which is quite possible considering her stature, she probably wont be getting the same core you think anyway.

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Mike Austin · « **Reply #23 on:** February 11, 2009, 08:17:39 PM »

Funny, Locke has disappeared now that he not hearing what he wants.

Agree with most of the posts. Shop dude should watch her bowl. Especially with the way Locke embellishes, his version of low speed may not be the rest of the world's version of low speed.

Shoes are the most underrated piece of bowling equipment. You can't beat having trusty slide wherever you go. If this little girl is 19, she has probably quit growing, and even at $225, the shoes will probably last her 5-6 years minimum.

My wife is 5'2" and was about 95lbs when I met her, trying to throw a 16lb ball, because that's what she had always thrown. Her average jumped 15 pins when I got her to go down to 15lbs. If she's averaging 175, then she probably can use more help than Locke is giving her. Being small doesn't mean light. Also, if her revs are "so low", then the balls mentioned might be darts, even on light oil. Do we really know if she bowls on "light oil"? Does Locke know what "light oil" is?

Lastly, why get a recommendation from someone who is not drilling the ball? The guy drilling it should be the one giving the advice. Loved my Trops and still have a Jazz.

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six pack · « **Reply #24 on:** February 11, 2009, 09:26:37 PM »

my wife is small,I picked up a jazz for her and she has been doing very well with it on a med shot.she also has a venus that she only can use on a heavy shot so I agree with the shop op that the jazz was the best choice.as for the shoes,great choice,very bad price tag.I would of listened to his advice,get the jazz and shop around for the shoes or talk him down.
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2009, 09:41:23 PM »

What I would like to know is, what weight does she use? If she uses a 12ish pound ball, the difference between the Jazz and Vibe is so small anyway it would not really make a difference since you lose some core dynamics. If she is using 14 or higher, it could make a difference. Since hottie only throws the ball 11.5 mph, I don't really see her carry percentage going up just because of a new ball especially since she is already averaging 175. Just my take.
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2009, 09:45:55 PM »

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well a proshop can sell any item for any price they want, so $225 shoes, sure they can do that?

Sir, in todays world, stores of all types must be careful at what they try to sell an item for. Selling those shoes for $225 when anyone in the free world can order them for about $140-$160 is rape!!!!!

We now have a thing called the internet. People can shop online. Really, it was in all the papers.

So only an idiot would try to sell those shoes for $225, when you can buy them for about $140-$160 in most places.

Unless this is a new model that I don't know about.

And only a bigger idiot would buy them at that price.

Maybe this fellow should seriously look for another pro shop.
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Careful there jls, somebody may get the idea to do this with balls as well........

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justdale · « **Reply #27 on:** February 11, 2009, 09:54:36 PM »

Don't be fooled by the Jazz, this ball is alot more than one would think. I have 2 of them, the Orange and Yellow, and the Pink and Purple. These 2 balls give alot of pop for what the are percieved to be
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DanH78 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 11, 2009, 10:30:27 PM »

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What makes you think he doesnâ€™t know more about what he is talking about than you do. Maybe he wanted to toss you out of his store for coming to him for his opinion and then getting mad because he was talking to the person that will in the long run be making the purchase and using the equipment.

Duh, because he's one of the best youth bowlers in the state of Minnesota! Gosh

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Locke · « **Reply #29 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:40:17 AM »

First off, she is throwing a 14 LB Roto Grip Epic Quest and it is helping big time. When I started working with her she was throwing a Track EMB. Secondly I am a trained coach, I'm not just out there winging it. Also, I have no interest in her she is my pretty much my little sister, I grew up with her. Like I said before I carry a Tornado so its not that I believe a ball needs a core to strike. I believe SHE needs a core because of the low speed and low revs it doesn't store energy for the turn. I want something for her that will actually make a move instead of just kind of rolling. Also, I know what light oil actually is. I have been bowling pretty much all my life and I have been bowling on a high competitive level for the last 6 years so I have seen just about any oil pattern including true dry oil.

Beyond all of that, I was not writing this to complain about the ball choice, I was writing this to complain about how he doesn't respect what the girls coach says and doesn't even suggest watching her bowl. After that he tries to push insanely expensive shoes on her. I mean he is selling SST 4s for over 200.
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Locke · « **Reply #30 on:** February 12, 2009, 01:43:28 AM »

Also, the reason I haven't posted is because I actually work and go to school so I actually have things to do.
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