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Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« on: December 27, 2013, 10:25:14 AM »
This is somewhat of an anomaly to me and a topic I find a mystery.

First a quick bit about me (and this is not FIGJAM worthy), I'm currently having a career best 234 avg in one league and struggling in the other at 222 (to be fair, this house is naturally tougher)......my sport pattern average is in the 195ish range.  FOR ME, I think my PBAX summer league is REAL bowling, and I relish the challenge.  I would, in a perfect world, bowl on these patterns all winter long and set goals accordingly, if I were able.

What I'm asking about is this stereotypical ego that cannot handle NOT scoring, bowlers who NEED the inflated average a THS provides.  This is a mystery to me.  What happens to these people / ego's IN THE MOMENT when they're bowling on exceptionally difficult conditions?  What are they thinking IN THE MOMENT of (for example after game 1 when they shoot 132) failure?  Is there some cognitive dissonance or some Dunning–Kruger effect going on?

(Enter poker player me) I'm struggling to grasp the psychology of the stereotypical fragile ego (lets be honest, we ALL know them).  Can someone help me w/this?  I'm trying to reverse engineer the concept and understand the WHY the 195 PBAX average would crush my ego.....I mean, it's quite objectively obv that the THS is a softer condition and flat patterns are more difficult thus the universal scoring pace differential.

Think of this as analysis of the person YOU / WE ALL know......It's such a relevant topic in bowling today so a little exploration should be nice and everyone can contribute.  Another way of stating it:  If there were a truth serum in their blood and we could interrogate HONEST answers, what would we get?
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2013, 10:39:58 AM »
I like this post but would like to comment on the other side of the coin.

Some people average 220+ on THS and really don't have any urge to bowl on tough conditions.  They don't necessarily fear them or care about their ego, but they also don't have time or the urge to find a tougher shot.

What annoys me is when the people who DO bowl on the tough shots and bash people for bowling on THS.

Again, +1 on this post, but I hope people don't bash the casual, social, send it right, and watch it hook-ers.  ;D

I'm definitely going to find a PBA league for Summer 2014 and I'm juiced for it.

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2013, 10:48:53 AM »
What annoys me is when the people who DO bowl on the tough shots and bash people for bowling on THS.

This is fair.  I also find that annoying.
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2013, 11:07:29 AM »
I love bowling Sport Patterns. I drive 60 miles (each way) year round for a PBA league. I also bowl an additional PBA league locally in the summer. It's only held in summer because they can't get enough people for a winter league.

And although I prefer to bowl on the flatter patterns, I can understand why some people want no part of it and are content to bowl on a THS.
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2013, 11:20:55 AM »
Now this is a pretty good post (here's my take)

There's only a very small percentage of people who bowl in tournaments (though or not) I know for me personally we've run 2 tournaments in the last month.  One on Dean Man's Curve and one on Middle Road.  Both tourney's had a cut score in the minus and the average to make the cut was roughly 190.  (not to figjam but..) I lead both tourney's in qualifying with plus 165 (5 games) on middle road and plus 86 (4 games) on dead man's.  On both occasions I could care less what I was averaging as long as i was in the cut number.  I think most people are the same way (at least when it comes to tournaments).  I know also on both occasions there were 220+ THS average guys that barely averaged 200 and some who weren't even close to the cut.  They realize that its tougher and it's ok most of the time.

I look at it this way, I believe i'm a top player and should make 90% of every cut in every tournament I bowl or make money in every event I bowl, sometimes you just have bad days/weekends.  I think it all evens out at the end of the year. 

I think league bowling is what you make of it.  For some (actually most) it is used for a night out with friends (perhaps to make some money) for others like myself its for practice, trying new balls, and bowling with people i like to be around and being an ambassador to the sport by helping others when needed.  The sport cant grow unless people are helping others. 


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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2013, 11:37:20 AM »
I bowl on the PBAX league during the summer.  I bowl in the nationals for the last 8 years.  I get 14 weeks on 5 different patterns.  It seems that I don't get enough practice on any pattern to become proficient at it.  I average 215-225 on THS, but I have trouble averaging 180 (178-179 last 2 years).  I could understand a 15-30 pin difference, but 50 pins doesn't sit well with me.  I am a heavy handed tweener, and I am trying to figure out a way to average 190+ on sport patterns.  There are not enough sport tournaments around to get good practice, but some of the tournament patterns are difficult and I feel like I could to better if I can get better on sport patterns.  This is why I want to bowl in sport patterns.  I believe if I can master them, I will be able to bowl better on different difficult house tournament patterns.
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2013, 11:38:29 AM »
Bowling has become 2-fold...those that desire a true challenge (minimal amount) and the rest, I see it as miniature golf compared to US Open conditions in golf. You can't fault those that do not desire the challenge of tougher conditions but in an invisible environment such as bowling, most do not understand or see the difference between the 2 and boast inflatable accomplishments on easier conditions.
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2013, 11:39:07 AM »
I think the biggest problem comes from the guys who have the big egos about their average on a house shot, not necessarily about people who simply have a big average on a THS.  They are only familiar with a THS, and don't have the experience to realize what's going on or be objective about it.  They're used to being successful on the conditions they bowl on, and that equates as being good or proficient across the board to them.  So when they finally encounter something they don't have success on, whether or not they actually realize they aren't as "good" as they thought they were, the reaction usually isn't that, it's usually to blame the lanes, equipment, etc.  The rest of us don't like that, and so there's a general disdain for nearly everyone who has a high average on a house shot.  Being "good" is also all about perspective.  30 years ago, if you averaged 205, you may not be pro material, but you were pretty darn good, and I'd consider 205 on a PBAX league fairly good too.  Take a 240 average on a THS and put him on a PBAX league, if he finishes with 205, that's still pretty respectable in my book, but he may not see it that way. 

It's simply that they don't understand or are inexperienced, and speaking from my own prior inexperienced opinion when I first started getting into tougher shots, if you tell someone ELSE who doesn't understand, "Oh I went to this tournament and averaged 200" when you average 225 on a house shot, you know how they're going to react.  They're going to razz you for it, or give you grief, or comment on how terrible it went for you, even if you were to say you won!  Because the other people would then assume you had no competition, or that there was something wrong with the lane machine and completely write it off.  People associate skill with score, and NOT score in relation to scoring pace.  People will always see a 230 average in the midst of several other 230 averages as better than a 205 average leading a PBAX league. 
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2013, 11:52:36 AM »
Bowling has become 2-fold...those that desire a true challenge (minimal amount) and the rest, I see it as miniature golf compared to US Open conditions in golf. You can't fault those that do not desire the challenge of tougher conditions but in an invisible environment such as bowling, most do not understand or see the difference between the 2 and boast inflatable accomplishments on easier conditions.

I think a better comparison would be softball.  D Level rec league softball is full of people with skill (and not so much skill), but they go out there to try and hit homeruns and maybe win a few close games. 

Then there is high level softball for the skilled AND competitive players.  The players who hit a ton of homeruns in the low level league won't necessarily be able to compete in a higher level league.


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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2013, 11:58:21 AM »
However you wish to compare is cool...to me the disparity in conditions has vastly grown the past 10 yrs or so...years ago if you wanted a 'sport' compliant condition you'd cross wipe em with a line-a-duster!
Most of the 'so-called' easier conditions have built in friction side to side where tougher conditions tend to have less built-in path putting the onus on shot making or at least understanding of ball motion and/or equipment.
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2013, 12:10:52 PM »
Great and civil responses so far.......much appreicated.

I came up w/this topic after thinking about it for a bit....

There are a few guys that bowl together in one of my leagues (they're roughly 215-220 avg guys with MONSTER EGO's (not pricks tho, there's a difference) who got together for the PBAX league and needless to say, after the first 4 weeks (cheetah and viper) and averaging in the 160's they. were. done.  The level of defeat in their faces was incredible.  They were having the worst time while I was having a blast grinding on 9/'s and being right at 600 (which is not a "bad" set).

I try to put myself in their shoes and understand why they did what they did.  Don't get me wrong, they're good guys, but once they realized they weren't scoring (and weren't going to) they checked out and had subs every week.  How they don't realize that is weak..........that's beyond me.

Now that they're back in league and averaging right at 220ish they're back to themselves.

It simply amazes me (and I'll use JustRico's example) how an above average putt-putt player actually thinks (at the very least act like) he's good at the ENTIRE sport, in context....there is some psychological "thing" going on.
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2013, 12:30:23 PM »
Great and civil responses so far.......much appreicated.

I came up w/this topic after thinking about it for a bit....

There are a few guys that bowl together in one of my leagues (they're roughly 215-220 avg guys with MONSTER EGO's (not pricks tho, there's a difference) who got together for the PBAX league and needless to say, after the first 4 weeks (cheetah and viper) and averaging in the 160's they. were. done.  The level of defeat in their faces was incredible.  They were having the worst time while I was having a blast grinding on 9/'s and being right at 600 (which is not a "bad" set).

I try to put myself in their shoes and understand why they did what they did.  Don't get me wrong, they're good guys, but once they realized they weren't scoring (and weren't going to) they checked out and had subs every week.  How they don't realize that is weak..........that's beyond me.

Now that they're back in league and averaging right at 220ish they're back to themselves.

It simply amazes me (and I'll use JustRico's example) how an above average putt-putt player actually thinks (at the very least act like) he's good at the ENTIRE sport, in context....there is some psychological "thing" going on.

Happens all the time.....I tried to run a PBAX league a few years ago, asked one of the better THS bowlers if he wanted to join and i quote "why would i want to spend $20 a week to bowl bad.....Unfortunately that happens a lot, in league there has to be a perceived value for alot of people instead of paying to enjoy/learn the game.  Again about the tournaments i have run, anytime you mention the word scratch even the 210 bowlers frown beacuse they dont think they can compete with the 230-240 guys.

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2013, 12:33:10 PM »
.....and i quote "why would i want to spend $20 a week to bowl bad.....Unfortunately that happens a lot, in league there has to be a perceived value for alot of people instead of paying to enjoy/learn the game.

Man, that is just such a WEAK play.

I guess I'm just going to have to accept that.  It's interesting THEY don't view that as a weak play.  They just HAVE to know it is.

They are awesome guys......I think I lost a TON of respect for them, as bowlers and competitors, though.
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2013, 12:37:10 PM »
.....and i quote "why would i want to spend $20 a week to bowl bad.....Unfortunately that happens a lot, in league there has to be a perceived value for alot of people instead of paying to enjoy/learn the game.

Man, that is just such a WEAK play.

I guess I'm just going to have to accept that.  It's interesting THEY don't view that as a weak play.  They just HAVE to know it is.

They are awesome guys......I think I lost a TON of respect for them, as bowlers and competitors, though.

I TOTALLY agree...

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2013, 12:41:08 PM »
Well and these two points right here are really telling as far as their perspective goes.  They associate low scores with bowling bad.  That's exactly what they'll say too, they don't say score lower, they say bowl bad.  So even if they average 205-210 and that's the top end of the scoring pace, they still won't enjoy it.  Bowling has become about the score you get rather than winning or losing. 

.....and i quote "why would i want to spend $20 a week to bowl bad.....Unfortunately that happens a lot, in league there has to be a perceived value for alot of people instead of paying to enjoy/learn the game.

Man, that is just such a WEAK play.

I guess I'm just going to have to accept that.  It's interesting THEY don't view that as a weak play.  They just HAVE to know it is.

They are awesome guys......I think I lost a TON of respect for them, as bowlers and competitors, though.

I TOTALLY agree...
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