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Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« on: December 27, 2013, 10:25:14 AM »
This is somewhat of an anomaly to me and a topic I find a mystery.

First a quick bit about me (and this is not FIGJAM worthy), I'm currently having a career best 234 avg in one league and struggling in the other at 222 (to be fair, this house is naturally tougher)......my sport pattern average is in the 195ish range.  FOR ME, I think my PBAX summer league is REAL bowling, and I relish the challenge.  I would, in a perfect world, bowl on these patterns all winter long and set goals accordingly, if I were able.

What I'm asking about is this stereotypical ego that cannot handle NOT scoring, bowlers who NEED the inflated average a THS provides.  This is a mystery to me.  What happens to these people / ego's IN THE MOMENT when they're bowling on exceptionally difficult conditions?  What are they thinking IN THE MOMENT of (for example after game 1 when they shoot 132) failure?  Is there some cognitive dissonance or some Dunning–Kruger effect going on?

(Enter poker player me) I'm struggling to grasp the psychology of the stereotypical fragile ego (lets be honest, we ALL know them).  Can someone help me w/this?  I'm trying to reverse engineer the concept and understand the WHY the 195 PBAX average would crush my ego.....I mean, it's quite objectively obv that the THS is a softer condition and flat patterns are more difficult thus the universal scoring pace differential.

Think of this as analysis of the person YOU / WE ALL know......It's such a relevant topic in bowling today so a little exploration should be nice and everyone can contribute.  Another way of stating it:  If there were a truth serum in their blood and we could interrogate HONEST answers, what would we get?
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2013, 02:47:16 AM »
My thoughts are this.....

If I know its a sport shot tournament, I know i wont average 250+ unless, I happen to have the tournament of my life ....  Although, I did average 220+ on the last sport pattern tournament I did..  But that tournament really helped me with my release and taking hand out of the ball... 

And in return the last two weeks of leagues have been unreal... 

Usually my thoughts are if I average around 200 on a sport shot, I am bowling really well...   

And I laugh when people mention a sport shot, and then say " well why would I want to pay to bowl bad "   really??   did anyone complain when it use to be the high average guy was 200 maybe 210?? ... and this was still in the Resin days.. 

 here is a good story from a couple yrs ago lol...  So in Traverse City Mi or Cadillac, they had a Jr bowler who was in his first yr of Adult bowling.  And the only league he was in was a sport shot league..  Well his avg was right about 175?   And all of the local tournaments he was tearing up, cuz he'd come in with the 175 avg...  Or if they did do the sport adjustment, it was like 190..  But even then in all of the tournaments he bowled in, he would avg 230+, and he was still getting his handicap based off of 230..   

Well all a lot of the adult bowlers bitched up a storm because of his average, lol... 

when i first heard about this, first thing I said was -  Well good for the kid wanting a challenge..  2nd was - And why are the adults complaining?? 

the answer I got was, well he has the advantage of having a lower average and he's bowling on a tougher condition... 

My response was... well those guys have the same opportunity as this kid, so its their own fault for not bowling in the league... 

Now the guy telling the story totally agreed with me on every point i said lol.. He was just telling me what the other adults complained about lol.. 
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2013, 05:02:03 AM »
We all agree not everyone likes a challenge.  Many do not know what a challange is for some reason or another and believe the bubble of which they bowl is reflective of every where else.

What ever the reasons we all have our own bars to measure our selves. I agree that bowling on tough conditions can really help develop your game if you choose to. It can also really hurt your game if you start doing things to create bad habbits ect.

Sport conditions are tough but when people are given the chance to consistantly bowl on it they learn, adapt, and get better. PBA players do it on tour patters. Amateurs that really do well at USBC nationals have plenty of practice on the shot prior to. It is an advantage. The more you bowl on tough conditions the better prepared you are for the next time.

Bowlers are fickle. The weak minded are always easy to spot.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2013, 09:02:15 AM »
Too many wanna believe they are bowlers when in actuality many do NOT know how to bowl nor choose to learn how to bowl. This is why the upper echelon learn with much being placed on the psychological side of the game...not just buying a new bowling ball.
This website is a perfect example...too many wanting to know what the next great ball will be in reality there is a minute difference with the bowling balls...it is the mentally strong that know how to use the tools they choose...not just buy a new 'driver'.
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2013, 10:05:10 AM »
Everyone wants the lanes hard.........for everyone else.

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2013, 10:10:59 AM »
When you bowl well on tough shots/sport patterns, you feel like your game and the hard work you put into practicing was worth it.

When you struggle on the tough stuff, you feel total failure and it sucks.

I've done both over the years, and honestly the failure part hurts way more than the glory part.

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2013, 03:50:00 PM »
You do not need sport conditions to make the lanes tough. When you go practice you can create tough conditions when burning up lines, pushing oil ect. This is where I learned to play different parts of the lanes and have different releases.

In league when you have 10 guys on a pair and 7-8 play the same area and completely destroy the middle of the lane between 20-12 after the first game you can see where it becomes more challenging in a hurry. Some have never seen it before, some have. Depends on how much you bowl or practice and what adjustments you make when you see this. Knowing your equipment and options to move around it and play to score.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2013, 07:51:22 AM »
THIS. 

Too many wanna believe they are bowlers when in actuality many do NOT know how to bowl nor choose to learn how to bowl. This is why the upper echelon learn with much being placed on the psychological side of the game...not just buying a new bowling ball.
This website is a perfect example...too many wanting to know what the next great ball will be in reality there is a minute difference with the bowling balls...it is the mentally strong that know how to use the tools they choose...not just buy a new 'driver'.
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2013, 08:55:37 AM »
It is in threads like this where I am extremely appreciative we have industry experts who chime in.  While reading, I kept going back to the three short comments by JustRico and thought, this guy gets it.  Of course he does, he has been there, done that.  Not saying others are wrong or don't have good comments, only JustRico's comments ring true to me more.

And to piggy back on something he said, the main issue I see is the increasing difference in difficulty between THS and sport shots.  I used to run a monthly Team USA (WTBA) pattern tournament.  We advertised locally, made announcements during leagues, even have a facebook page devoted to the tournament (Team USA Challenge).  Yet every month we got maybe 15 bowlers max.  Nothing we did improved the turnout.  Could be location.  Could be timing.  Could be the better bowlers didn't want to participate due to ego/desire.  I really wish I knew.

I still think USBC needs to have a THS requirement that brings it closer to sport shots to close the gap in perception.  12+:1 isn't cutting it.  Maybe 8:1, hmmmmm.........

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2013, 09:08:58 AM »
I too find myself in agreement with JustRico.......
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2013, 09:10:39 AM »
Thanks for the kind words...I try to look at things logically, somewhat unbiased and I know at times it can come across as harsh...
As I posted, in regards to your last comments, bowlers don't tend to understand what equates to a good shot other than - hey I struck I must've thrown it good, no?
When I was a league/tournament coordinator in So Cal in the early 90's, I found scratch bowlers could/would find the best excuses for not supporting scratch events...you have the egos that will show up and bowl anything and the others that will come up with every excuse under the sun. It does get extremely frustrating.
This was our attempt when releasing Head Games, was in hopes that competitors could learn more about themselves, making themselves stronger for knowing themselves...yet most of the ones that should buy it won't as they tend to know it all...and never show up to bowl (:
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2013, 09:21:06 AM »
Exactly.  You have to learn to be objective and honest about what's really going on or you'll never get anywhere.  The comment about hey I struck, must have thrown it good is what kills me watching youth coaches on saturday mornings with kids.  Yeah you don't want to discourage kids, but if you tell them good shot every time they strike, you're TEACHING them to equate striking with good shots, and creating a terrible foundation for them. 

Thanks for the kind words...I try to look at things logically, somewhat unbiased and I know at times it can come across as harsh...
As I posted, in regards to your last comments, bowlers don't tend to understand what equates to a good shot other than - hey I struck I must've thrown it good, no?
When I was a league/tournament coordinator in So Cal in the early 90's, I found scratch bowlers could/would find the best excuses for not supporting scratch events...you have the egos that will show up and bowl anything and the others that will come up with every excuse under the sun. It does get extremely frustrating.
This was our attempt when releasing Head Games, was in hopes that competitors could learn more about themselves, making themselves stronger for knowing themselves...yet most of the ones that should buy it won't as they tend to know it all...and never show up to bowl (:
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2013, 09:30:31 AM »
When I'm teaching anyone, I try to get my students to forget about immediate results and realize a good shot over a bad one-understand the process...too many tend to make too many things too difficult. In basically everything we do, there is a path and a process...too many want to bypass the necessary work to get to higher levels...there are NO shortcuts in life. Any true accomplished athlete had worked their asses off to get where they are...as we write in the book...the elite find answers, the rest find excuses...
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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2013, 09:58:17 AM »
Gizmo,

That reminds me of what I used to tell my son during his youth bowling days. When he was younger he equated a strike as a good ball. I would tell him that if he threw 3 shots and hit 3 different arrows and all of them were strikes (THS) i would tell him at least 2 of those strikes were off bad shots. Of course he never listened and I just left him alone and let him do his thing.

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2013, 10:15:00 AM »
So it's become rather obvious to me now that I need this book . .

When I'm teaching anyone, I try to get my students to forget about immediate results and realize a good shot over a bad one-understand the process...too many tend to make too many things too difficult. In basically everything we do, there is a path and a process...too many want to bypass the necessary work to get to higher levels...there are NO shortcuts in life. Any true accomplished athlete had worked their asses off to get where they are...as we write in the book...the elite find answers, the rest find excuses...
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

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Re: Psychology / Ego in Bowling (Sport Patterns)
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2013, 10:22:50 AM »
Biggest myth  on house shots is that they reward guys who spray the ball.  It happens because it is possible to over swing a ball and get it back, or sometimes pull a shot and get it to hold.  However anyone doing this very often is not averaging 235.  A lot of guys averaging high are hooking the lane way more than they could on flatter patterns, but they are repeating shots better than they get credit for doing.  The problem is that you cannot succesfully hook the entire lane on most tournament patterns, no matter how consistent your release, or how accurate your trajectory. 

Also if you are watching the tour guys, look how straight they are all playing on the longer patterns. The longer patterns are becoming predominant and represent another distinct difference from house shots which typically buff not much longer than 40 feet.  They were running the scorpion at 47 feet, and even the viper at over 40 feet in Vegas.  Most really good bowlers don't pay nearly as much attention to the right to left dispersion of oil as they do the buff length when they look at a graph.   

Minimizing axis rotation is now the key to winning out there.  Almost reminds me of the game in the late 60's to early 70's, but with more speed and revs on the end over end release.   Even Pete who had the most axis rotation on tour has cut his down a lot.
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