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akt22

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Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« on: October 20, 2009, 08:28:17 AM »
This seems to be a problem that has been giving me issues lately as I work on my game. If I have to play a shot that forces me to set myself up with shoulders parallel to the foul line and my target at most 3 boards left or right in line with my breakpoint, I'm fairly acurrate a good portion of the time.

The problem arises when I have to move deeper or when my breakpoint changes, either by my choice or depending on how the lane transitions, 5 or more boards right of my target. This results in pulled shot to the inside 70-80 percent of the time.

In short basically anytime I don't set up with my shoulders parallel to the foul line, I pull my shot most of the time whether it's for strikes of spares. I can set up decently, but once I go deliver my shot, the result is a pulled shot instead of the shot my set up is suppose to give me.

I read ron's getting deeper article: http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip24.htm
but he mentions only how to set up properly and where to aim, but I still pull the shot even after setting up properly for getting deeper.

It's really affecting my consistency and if you can help me figure it out would really help my game to a new level.

 

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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 04:37:14 PM »
pulling means your timing is off

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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 04:39:22 PM »
Playing a deep line usually means having to "open up" the shoulders, and that isn't what you sound used to.

 If you consistently play an outer line, or any line that requires squaring up, you develop what is called "muscle memory", meaning your body begins to memorize the motions that result in success.

 Then, when you try to do something your body doesn't recognize ( like open your shoulders and play a swing shot ), it wants to continue to do what "feels" correct, resulting in you subconciously trying to square up your shoulders and pulling the ball inside your actally intended target line.

 Something that often happens to me as well, is timing. If my feet get fast, and I get to the line before my armswing is ready, I muscle the swing with my shoulder and miss my target to the inside, effectively causing a "pulled" delivery that misses my target to the inside.
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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 04:54:13 PM »
I often overadjust my aim in the opposite dierection. It has always helped me.
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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 05:48:15 PM »
Same thing happens to me all the time.

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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2009, 12:07:33 AM »
One thing that helps me get the ball in a better position is to push the ball away parallel to the lane or even a little bit left of center (righty) and let the swing plane loop around behind me a little bit.

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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2009, 03:14:19 AM »
One other factor could be that you subconsciously try to steer the ball on the deeper line? In that case, just relaxation and confidence in the equipment will help - just deliver the ball as usual. But that's easier said than done, I fall into this trap from time to time when I move my line deeper, too. Head thing.
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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2009, 07:06:25 AM »
This used to work VERY well for me before I found my new way and I actually would still walk to my shot so I would start say 5 boards left of where I want my release to be and walk at an angle to force me to let it out. Dont get me wrong IMO this is just a crutch and should be used only if you absolutely need to...

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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2009, 08:57:59 AM »
your gonna need to learn to open your shoulders to play a deep shot.  you could try pointing your toes a bit in that direction, or on your push away, push it towards your mark.  if you have alot of ball speed, you may have to notch it down a bit to get the ball in a roll and not shoot by your breakpoint.

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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2009, 09:23:47 AM »
The shoulders should open naturally if you are standing left, throwing right.  I guess that's not something I think about.  When I have this problem, it is always a timing issue.  A tugged shot is getting out of the ball too late.
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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2009, 11:51:02 AM »
I find it much easier to open up and swing the shot when I move my target point in closer to the foul line.  The further downlane I look, the more muscle I tend to use causing a pull.  If you usually target at the arrows, try picking a target a couple of feet before the arrows...

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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2009, 12:23:14 PM »
snowspike 1, pulling the ball doesn't always mean your timing is off..

jaggernaut, koddos +1

backwards, learning the figure 8 move is a good one to know but it takes alot of practice to do it and can also sometimes create bad habits..

scott pa, looking sooner is a good option too, that will get the ball to go longer b/c your not trying to force it down lane..

my 2 cents are, your deeper and trying to throw the ball harder(to get the ball down the lane) which automatically makes you grab the ball and your closing down.. you don't need to throw the ball harder at all, try being softer with you hand/cleaner at the bottom and you will be amazed as to how far the ball will shoot/push down the lane for you.. same tempo and timing as your regular shot, just be soft at the bottom and remembering not force/grab the ball.. smoooooooth like butter!!!!!!!!! oh yeah hitting your target helps too..lol..lol..  slashrr69

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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2009, 12:45:06 PM »
Last night during league play during my second and third games I was doing the same thing. Pulling it left. Was not keeping my hand and fingers behind the ball. Was coming around the ball. Since the fingers are the last part of the body that is in touch with the bowling ball I found that the fingers were pointing more towards the left then towards my intended target line. Very frustrating. I will follow some this thread advices and see what happens tonight in the Money League.

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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2009, 01:02:23 PM »
I've had the same problem bowling in college. As the tournaments progress, and the lanes get drier, we move inside. But after playing straighter for most of the day, I still have trouble making a big jump and hooking it. I've been working on that for the last few months, and the biggest change that has helped me has been to get out of the ball earlier and cleaner. If you think about it, the longer the ball is in contact with your thumb or fingers after your ankle, the more likely you are to pull it inside of the target. Try getting your thumb out of the ball as it passes your slide ankle and I guarantee you will have less trouble pulling it.
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Re: Pulling the ball as I play deeper
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2009, 01:27:19 PM »
I find that when I miss left when playing inside, it's because I'm coming out of the shot.  I think if you concentrate on staying down and keeping your shoulders more parallel to your target - not the foul line - you'll be fine.